Was Nephrite a child molestor?

[Memelord_Yoshi]

Actually she probably was right . the tumbtrl post I saw said Miss Dreams translation was more likely to be wrong.

I'm not saying she's wrong. I'm just saying she's being disagreeable.

Kero's reply to Elly is biased toward her friend's opinion.

I remember the debate with Kero. She said the note in question couldn't have meant they were lovers because of something her Japanese friend said. "I wouldn't call my boyfriend that. It's condescending. It's like something I would say to my pet." ... So Kunzite is talking to a man who curls up on his shoulder like he's a pet, and this strikes her as heterosexual?

 

[Sabrblade]

The Kunzite one isn't shown on the linked page.

Because the line in question was only on the Jadeite/Nephrite/Zoisite page.

Oh, I thought it's about that "has a romantic relationship w/ Zoicite" line in Miss Dream's translation.

Whoops! Now I see what happened. I mistook which page the line was on and posted the wrong page. It's fixed now.

 

[Salem Saberhagen]

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I saw a post on tumbrl but basically Miss Dreams , and Alex Grove were both incorrect
)(The bit about Zoisite says クンツァイトの弟的存在, which basically means 'someone who's like a younger brother to Kunzite'. As for ゾイサイトをかわいがってる, in my experience it means something like 'to love', 'to favor', 'to treat with affection', etc. Normally it seems to be used to denote a person's affection towards little kids or pets, but I suppose it can also be used as a term for affection in a romantic relationship... maybe? Not sure. Most dictionaries I know use phrases about children or pets as examples.)
Basically the word she put you use more children for pets . You don't use it for lovers .

But Zoisite isn't a child or pet either... but if Kunzite treats him like those, it sounds to me like a relationship with a very skewed power dynamic. Sort of like a pederastic master/apprentice relationship. It sounds like what they have in the anime, anyway.

 

[Sabrblade]

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I saw a post on tumbrl but basically Miss Dreams , and Alex Grove were both incorrect
)(The bit about Zoisite says クンツァイトの弟的存在, which basically means 'someone who's like a younger brother to Kunzite'. As for ゾイサイトをかわいがってる, in my experience it means something like 'to love', 'to favor', 'to treat with affection', etc. Normally it seems to be used to denote a person's affection towards little kids or pets, but I suppose it can also be used as a term for affection in a romantic relationship... maybe? Not sure. Most dictionaries I know use phrases about children or pets as examples.)
Basically the word she put you use more children for pets . You don't use it for lovers .

But Zoisite isn't a child or pet either... but if Kunzite treats him like those, it sounds to me like a relationship with a very skewed power dynamic. Sort of like a pederastic master/apprentice relationship. It sounds like what they have in the anime, anyway.

Maybe what is meant by "a person's affection towards little kids or pets" is more of a parental/guardian caring type of affection. Like, maybe the line was meant to suggest that, in that book, Kunzite has a sort of fatherly relationship with Zoisite, what with Kunzite being the eldest king (25-26) and Zoisite being the youngest (16-17). Plus, with that book describing Zoisite as both a "youngest-child type"/"gives off the air that he was the baby of his family" who "uses dirty methods of attack"/"is very underhanded in his style of fighting", Kunzite being the leader might feel compelled to give Zoistie the most attention since Zoisite would be the most immature and the most in need of a caring yet disciplined authority figure to guide him on his path.

 

[Salem Saberhagen]

I don't think that description of their relationship is wrong, Sabrblade, but when paired with the manga panel I shared (which was pointedly not included in Crystal) I feel like that doesn't preclude a ...(somehow neither the words romantic or sexual seem quite right) relationship. There's actually a long history of a sexual mentor/mentee relationship. Roman soldiers, knights and squires, samurai, they all did it. Somehow I suspect Naoko knew about that model, and Zoi and Kunz lend themselves pretty well to it.

And if everyone thinks I'm just seeing what I want to see, well, there's actually other subtextual possibilities in the Dark Kingdom that I highly suspect, but wish I could unsee, lol.

 

[MsImagination]

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I saw a post on tumbrl but basically Miss Dreams , and Alex Grove were both incorrect
)(The bit about Zoisite says クンツァイトの弟的存在, which basically means 'someone who's like a younger brother to Kunzite'. As for ゾイサイトをかわいがってる, in my experience it means something like 'to love', 'to favor', 'to treat with affection', etc. Normally it seems to be used to denote a person's affection towards little kids or pets, but I suppose it can also be used as a term for affection in a romantic relationship... maybe? Not sure. Most dictionaries I know use phrases about children or pets as examples.)
Basically the word she put you use more children for pets . You don't use it for lovers .

But Zoisite isn't a child or pet either... but if Kunzite treats him like those, it sounds to me like a relationship with a very skewed power dynamic. Sort of like a pederastic master/apprentice relationship. It sounds like what they have in the anime, anyway.

In materials collection Zoisite is 16 years old . Why Kunzite is 25 . In /japan you're not an adult until your 20 . So by in there standards he is child.
Why

 

[Sabrblade]

I think something that a lot of people haven't considered is what the Materials Collection is supposed to pertain to, exactly. Many consider its information to refer to the continuity of the manga, yet it contains points and notions that were only ever true for the anime (i.e. - how Shingo feels about Mika, who wasn't ever in the manga). Likewise, it also features characters who were only in the SuperS movie, a film that, while not neatly connected to the continuity of the anime, bears stronger ties to the anime than it does to the manga.

Thus, with the book's contents feeling more like a blend of both the manga and anime, I feel that it might not apply solely to either one of them, but that its information instead served as a background source that BOTH the manga and anime might have picked selective bits of info from, but with neither the manga nor the anime completely adhering to everything the book contains. As such, the book itself may be viewed as its own unique continuity that is neither solely the manga nor solely the anime, but instead a "master continuity" containing elements of both that each one took from the info published in the book.

Therefore, whatever the book says about Kunzite's relationship with Zoisite may not necessarily apply to either the manga or the anime.

 

[MsImagination]

I think it's more like their rough drafts , and ideas of the characters . That were used in both or one than the other . That as some ideas were just scrapped .

 

[Salem Saberhagen]

In materials collection Zoisite is 16 years old . Why Kunzite is 25 . In /japan you're not an adult until your 20 . So by in there standards he is child.
Why

Well the phrase in question was used for children and pets, and teenagers aren't particularly thought of as "children" in the same cutesy sense. At least that's my understanding.

I think something that a lot of people haven't considered is what the Materials Collection is supposed to pertain to, exactly. Many consider its information to refer to the continuity of the manga, yet it contains points and notions that were only ever true for the anime (i.e. - how Shingo feels about Mika, who wasn't ever in the manga). Likewise, it also features characters who were only in the SuperS movie, a film that, while not neatly connected to the continuity of the anime, bears stronger ties to the anime than it does to the manga.

Thus, with the book's contents feeling more like a blend of both the manga and anime, I feel that it might not apply solely to either one of them, but that its information instead served as a background source that BOTH the manga and anime might have picked selective bits of info from, but with neither the manga nor the anime completely adhering to everything the book contains. As such, the book itself may be viewed as its own unique continuity that is neither solely the manga nor solely the anime, but instead a "master continuity" containing elements of both that each one took from the info published in the book.

Therefore, whatever the book says about Kunzite's relationship with Zoisite may not necessarily apply to either the manga or the anime.

I didn't know the collection mentioned Mika! It seems like Naoko had an awful lot of ideas she didn't get to explore, it's kind of sad.

 

[SailorLinda1]

he is no more a "child molester" than Mamoru/Tuxedo Mask.

But considering Nephrite never actually "molested" anyone, no, he is technically not a "child molester", he never was.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

No because it’s ambiguous whether he actually returned Naru’s feelings or not.

Though why Toei didn’t age Nephrite down to Ail’s age and have him pose as a Juban Senpai if they knew they were going to do a plot like this (which was a good idea yet!!! And far better than the bland and trite matchy-matchy Sen/Shi shipping) is beyond me.

 

[MariaTenebre]

No because it’s ambiguous whether he actually returned Naru’s feelings or not.

Though why Toei didn’t age Nephrite down to Ail’s age and have him pose as a Juban Senpai if they knew they were going to do a plot like this (which was a good idea yet!!! And far better than the bland and trite matchy-matchy Sen/Shi shipping) is beyond me.

It was not ambiguous he did return her feelings.

See this stuff comes up yet again and again. No Nephrite is not a child molestor because Naru is not a child she is a teenager. Also Nephrite's canon age in the Material's Collection is 19 so he isn't even truly legal in Japanese law and older then Mamoru.

As for Zoisite and Kunzite no Zoisite is not a child according to Japanese law he is a teenager and in some places in Japan the age of consent is 16 in different prefectures even if they aren't considered full fleged adults and if Haruka and Michiru can act like jetsetting emancipated adults at this age then Zoisite is fit to have a relationship with 25 year old Kunzite.

I swear it seems like the forum now is just moral Puritans having their periods over the fact that the series is un PC.

Also for Zoisite and Kunzite their ages were stated to be in Zoisite's case 16 to 17 and in Kunzite's case 25 to 26. If Zoisite is 17 he is the same age that Mamoru is dating Usagi in all canons if he is 16 he is the same age that Haruka and Michiru are pretty much living as emancipated adults. The Karens need to stop whining about child molestation in a series where teen girls fight as child soldiers.

 

[MsImagination]

It actually is ambiguous what his feeling are to her.I don't think they would have dated.If he survived.To be fair we do not know there ages in the 90s anime.That goes for kunzite and zoisite.It really dosen't matter they were not cannon in the manga.

I don't see them being teenagers is relevant.It would be creepy if Nephrite dated Naru in real life.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

See this stuff comes up yet again and again. No Nephrite is not a child molestor because Naru is not a child she is a teenager. Also Nephrite's canon age in the Material's Collection is 19 so he isn't even truly legal in Japanese law and older then Mamoru.

As for Zoisite and Kunzite no Zoisite is not a child according to Japanese law he is a teenager and in some places in Japan the age of consent is 16 in different prefectures even if they aren't considered full fleged adults and if Haruka and Michiru can act like jetsetting emancipated adults at this age then Zoisite is fit to have a relationship with 25 year old Kunzite.

How many times do we have to tell you that the manga ages don’t automatically translate over to the 90’s anime?

In any case 90’s anime Nephrite looks wayyy older than 19, he looks like he could be in his 30’s quite honestly.

 

[Star Angel Haruki]

19 with an amazing Ferrari and a mansion. He was such a legend.

To be honest, though, he does look like a middle aged man.

The Senshi don't look their ages either at times but Nephrite, if you didn't know his manga age could easily pass for late 20's, early 30's.

 

[MariaTenebre]

How many times do we have to tell you that the manga ages don’t automatically translate over to the 90’s anime?

In any case 90’s anime Nephrite looks wayyy older than 19, he looks like he could be in his 30’s quite honestly.

He looks no older than Mamoru, Motoki or any of the young men on the series and honestly he dosen't look any different in the manga then he does the 90s anime. You just assume he looks older.

 

[MsImagination]

He looks no older than Mamoru, Motoki or any of the young men on the series and honestly he dosen't look any different in the manga then he does the 90s anime. You just assume he looks older.

To me he looks like he is 27.

 

[ChampionOfNuggets]

He looks no older than Mamoru, Motoki or any of the young men on the series and honestly he dosen't look any different in the manga then he does the 90s anime. You just assume he looks older.

Motoki- Goes to university and works part time at his family's arcade

Mamoru- goes to university and works multiple part time jobs

Nephrite- In his civilian disguise runs his own successful business


I wonder why people are (correctly) drawing conclusions that he's older than 19

 

[MariaTenebre]

Motoki- Goes to university and works part time at his family's arcade

Mamoru- goes to university and works multiple part time jobs

Nephrite- In his civilian disguise runs his own successful business


I wonder why people are (correctly) drawing conclusions that he's older than 19

And in Mamoru's case he is 17 according to many source Materials and attending college early. Again Nephrite looks like the many young hunks we see in the series. There is no reason to assume he is older the 19 physically. Though of course we have no way of knowing when the Dark Kingdom reawakened from their seal in the modern day and in the 90s anime the Dark Kingdom was saled within the Earth and the Shitennou and everyone allied with them, with them so he may be far older but still in the body of an 19 year old ditto with Zoisite and the others.

In fact I know some snazzy 19 year olds who drive cars and live like Nephrite as well many of them are popular with the ladies.

Again there is no proof he is older then 19 and Nephrite really looks no different in the 90s anime vs. the manga his design from the 90s anime is even based on his design from the Materials Collection the same design that states he is 19.

I mean by this logic Haruka and Michiru certainly don't "look like" and behave like the average 16 year olds do you all think they are lying about their age as one forum member thought?

 

[POKIWOKI]

For Americans everyone involved with a person under 18 is a child molester.
In Germany it's legal to have sex with persons who are at least 14 years old, so I never thought about Nephrite's or Mamoru's age.