What if silver millennium was a lie?

[Sailorinnersenshifan20]

What if everything the sailor senshi knew about silver millennium was a lie? That Queen Serenity was not the ruler of the silver alliance and that the planets were at odds with eachother.
Some had alliances and some just downright hated eachother.
And the sailor senshi are not the protectors and guardians of Princess Serenity. But the rulers/crown princesses of their own empires that they rule and protect.
And to make it worst. The human sailor senshi are just host bodies for the princesses and that their powers are nothing to compared to the ancient warrior goddesses princesses.
They just have a small part of their powers and these goddesses are to awaken and fight again.

So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?
How different are them against their human host? What powers, weapons, abilities, guardian do you guys want them to have?

 

[Memelord_Yoshi]

The puppet masters from Planet Mau.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

The puppet masters from Planet Mau.

So like if Sailor Moon were Madoka and the whole SilMil was all an illusion set up by the Cats who are Kyuubey like creatures?

And to make it worst. The human sailor senshi are just host bodies for the princesses and that their powers are nothing to compared to the ancient warrior goddesses princesses.
They just have a small part of their powers and these goddesses are to awaken and fight again.

So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?
How different are them against their human host? What powers, weapons, abilities, guardian do you guys want them to have?

I've always been partial to this headcanon in particular. I think there is evidence for it at least with some Senshi (namely Mamoru & Hotaru) and even Minako shows signs in the Manga of being very different from her Venus persona.

Venus in the Silver Millenium strikes me as a person more simliar to Kunzite in personality, a real serious hard-liner drill sergeant, whereas Minako before awakening as Sailor V never took anything seriously and was a goofball.

 

[MariaTenebre]

So you mean another bad deconstruction fic about how The Silver Millennium and Crystal Tokyo were really awful dystopias and the Dark Kingdom and the Black Moon Clan "had a good reason to rebel." Honestly if Naoko Takeuchi didn't have her lion's paw grip on the series and you just added modern race and gender politics when they didn't apply this could be a new bad Netflix or WB adaptation of an anime.

No offense but this is why I think that Westerners should be barred from creating anime then again with certain issues in the West with far left distributors I have heard some anime makers campaigning to do just that even control the translations etc.

 

[Memelord_Yoshi]

So like if Sailor Moon were Madoka and the whole SIlMil was all an illusion set up by the Cats who are Kyuubey like creatures?

I haven't watched Madoka.

OP did gave us some freedom to re-write the story.

So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?

 

[Tsundereshipper]

So you mean another bad deconstruction fic about how The Silver Millennium and Crystal Tokyo were really awful dystopias and the Dark Kingdom and the Black Moon Clan "had a good reason to rebel." Honestly if Naoko Takeuchi didn't have her lion's paw grip on the series and you just added modern race and gender politics when they didn't apply this could be a new bad Netflix or WB adaptation of an anime.

No offense but this is why I think that Westerners should be barred from creating anime then again with certain issues in the West with far left distributors I have heard some anime makers campaigning to do just that even control the translations etc.

I've already said I completely stand behind Crystal Tokyo in the Manga/Crystal and don't condone the BMC's actions there, and it's the reverse for me when it comes to the Silver Millenium in the 90's anime. They were definitely unjustifiably attacked in the 90's anime but you've gotta admit that even while possessed by Metallia, Beryl had a point. Queen Serenity really does come off looking like a tyrannical dicator in the Manga/Crystal, I mean look how she exiled Nehellenia and didn't allow the Earth to join the Silver Millenium while full on isolating and forbidding them to fraternize with the Lunerians. Is it any wonder then that the Earthlings got so suspicous of the Moon Kingdom's intentions? One could make the argument that the one truly responsible for Silver Millenium's downfall was neither Beryl nor Metallia but ultimately Queen Serenity herself. After all if she had just allowed the Earth to join the Silver Alliance and wasn't so intent on isolating them then Beryl's attempt at a coup would've never worked because the Earthlings would have no reason to be suspicious of and fear the Silver Millenium in the first place.

 

[Memelord_Yoshi]

Have to nerf and since they are S-tier and get rid of their omniscience.

Also get rid of :mars: and 's (PGSM) ESP after all this is one big lie. Can't have precognitive abilities with these characters. It would be troublesome if one of them can see the future or psychics who can discern lies. Though having :mars: retain her probability manipulation would be more interesting. May be even introduce the rainbow crystals and make them like infinity gems.
Now what would the powers of the 7th crystal be?

 

[MariaTenebre]

I've already said I completely stand behind Crystal Tokyo in the Manga/Crystal and don't condone the BMC's actions there, and it's the reverse for me when it comes to the Silver Millenium in the 90's anime. They were definitely unjustifiably attacked in the 90's anime but you've gotta admit that even while possessed by Metallia, Beryl had a point. Queen Serenity really does come off looking like a tyrannical dicator in the Manga/Crystal, I mean look how she exiled Nehellenia and didn't allow the Earth to join the Silver Millenium while full on isolating and forbidding them to fraternize with the Lunerians. Is it any wonder then that the Earthlings got so suspicous of the Moon Kingdom's intentions? One could make the argument that the one truly responsible for Silver Millenium's downfall was neither Beryl nor Metallia but ultimately Queen Serenity. After all if she had just allowed the Earth to join the Silver Alliance and wasn't so intent on isolating them then Beryl's attempt at a coup would've never worked because the Earthlings would have no reason to be suspicious of and fear the Silver Millenium in the first place.

It was never said that she didn't allow the Earth People to join their alliance. In fact it seemed that they didn't want to and many were jealous of the Moon Kingdom which Beryl later exploited.

Also it wasn't stated that Queen Serenity made the rule that the people of Earth and Moon couldn't associate with one another. In fact it was described as a commandment from "God" as to who this god might be we don't know but if Queen Serenity is the incarnation of the Moon Goddess Selene and Chronos the God of Time who is sometimes identified with Zeus's Father Cronus is the Father of Sailor Pluto then it could be Zeus himself or a Deity above Him etc or even if we want to go down the Eastern Mythology route God or specifically Tentei the Jade Emperor the God of the Pole Star/Polaris is said to be the Father of Shokujo/Vega in the Tanabata story in the Chibiusa's picture Diary so it could be Him as well. As The Jade Emperor is the Supreme Male God in Indigenous Chinese Religion aka Taoism.

Though again there is no evidence of Crystal Tokyo or the Silver Millennium or the Golden Kingdom being evil dystopias regardless of what racial fanfic you write about the Black Moon Clan because you think that just because people call them beings and not people even though people use he term human beings all of the time that they are some other race when they aren't.

In fact I could easily argue that maybe the Black Moon Clan's ancestors followed some cult leader similar to Wiseman or even Wiseman in his former life and he was killed but returned later as Wiseman and their ancestors left "of their own free will not being forced" rather then to be cleansed or face justice for their terrorism.

Likewise I could see even with regard to Queen Serenity her fear of the Earth and Moon fraternizing a command from some unknown god leading o the fall of the Silver Millennium as per Nehellenia's Maleficent like curse on Princess Serenity leading to the Silver Millennium's fall etc.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

It was never said that she didn't allow the Earth People to join their alliance. In fact it seemed that they didn't want to and many were jealous of the Moon Kingdom which Beryl later exploited.

Also it wasn't stated that Queen Serenity made the rule that the people of Earth and Moon couldn't associate with one another. In fact it was described as a commandment from "God" as to who this god might be we don't know but if Queen Serenity is the incarnation of the Moon Goddess Selene and Chronos the God of Time who is sometimes identified with Zeus's Father Cronus is the Father of Sailor Pluto then it could be Zeus himself or a Deity above Him etc or even if we want to go down the Eastern Mythology route God or specifically Tentei the Jade Emperor the God of the Pole Star/Polaris is said to be the Father of Shokujo/Vega in the Tanabata story in the Chibiusa's picture Diary so it could be Him as well. As The Jade Emperor is the Supreme Male God in Indigenous Chinese Religion aka Taoism.

In fact I could easily argue that maybe the Black Moon Clan's ancestors followed some cult leader similar to Wiseman or even Wiseman in his former life and he was killed but returned later as Wiseman and their ancestors left "of their own free will not being forced" rather then to be cleansed or face justice for their terrorism.

Likewise I could see even with regard to Queen Serenity her fear of the Earth and Moon fraternizing a command from some unknown god leading o the fall of the Silver Millennium as per Nehellenia's Maleficent like curse on Princess Serenity leading to the Silver Millennium's fall etc.

I was always under the impression that Queen Serenity was the so-called "God" they were referring to who made that law. After all, who in our Solar System hiearchy is higher than her? She's the ruler over the entire Silver Millenium which is her own personal empire spanning all 9 planets besides Earth.

regardless of what racial fanfic you write about the Black Moon Clan because you think that just because people call them beings and not people even though people use he term human beings all of the time that they are some other race when they aren't.

As I said before in the other thread, it wasn't just the language he used to describe the BMC's ancestors but also the physical features and powers they were born with like Demande's 3rd eye, that signaled it to me as a racial issue in the 90's anime.

 

[MariaTenebre]

And you would be wrong pf it being a "racial issue" in the 90s anime. Plenty of series have human characters who through magic are able to do weird body transformations like Demand's third eye. Not to mention the Third Eye magic and even manifestation are a part of The Dharmic Faiths and even the Heka and Womb faiths of North East Africa especially though not limited to the indigenous Sudanese people. In fact I would argue that the Dark Kingdom themselves have non human features but were just human Earth people turned monstrous by Queen Metalia's power.

Also if that is the case when Queen Serenity then why did she herself describe the commandment of the Earth and Moon not fraternizing being a "command of God" not herself? She clearing was acting like this was not a command she herself made but one that she was following and afraid of the results of it was violated. She is certainly the reigning Queen of her People namely the Silver Millennium but there are empires in the Solar System itself that hold no allegiance to her like The Golden Kingdom in the 90s anime or even Nehellenia's unnamed asteroid kingdom in the 90s anime.

Besides if there is a Selene/Queen Serenity and a Chronos who is to say there can't be a Zeus, a Hera, a Athena or someone higher up on the chain then they themselves. After all it was stated in the Tanabata Chibiusa's picture diary That God or Specifically Tentei the Jade Emperor/Shangdi/Myoken etc is the Father of Shokujo/Orihime/Vega like in the actual mythic story. Tentei being the God of the Pole Star Polaris like Shokujo is for the star Vega and Kengyu is for the star Altair etc.

So the way that Queen Serenity described the command against the Earth and Moon fraternizing seemed very much that it was not she who made this command but some other God.

Also the God need not be of necessarily a higher rank then Queen Serenity. Maybe it was a prophecy that this other God foretold to her that would bring calamity if happened which again is a common theme in Greek Mythology especially people trying to avoid their fate only for their actions to necessitate this fate happening. Even our word Necessary comes from the Roman word Necessitas aka their name for he Greek Goddess Ananke he Goddess of Neccessity and even a Goddess of Fate and the Wife of Chronos God of Time. and even to of the earliest Deities to come into being in he Orphic Religion and is in some traditions even described as the Mother of the Moirai/Parcae or The Fates themselves. In fact one of the names that Ananke was called besides Necessitas was Tecmor and Moira aka Fate.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

In fact I would argue that the Dark Kingdom themselves have non human features but were just human Earth people turned monstrous by Queen Metalia's power.

Aside from the Rainbow Crystal carriers and the civilians Kunzite worked with in the 90's anime, this is just as much as a non-confirmed, non-canon headcanon as mine about the 90's anime BMC being Hanyou is. Why the double standard then? What makes you think your headcanons are so much more likelier than mine? Actually scratch that, your headcanon is even less likely because any confirmed non-human Youma Sailor Moon immediately dusts and doesn't even attempt to "refresh" and turn them back into this supposed human form.

Also if that is the case when Queen Serenity then why did she herself describe the commandment of the Earth and Moon not fraternizing being a "command of God" not herself? She clearing was acting like this was not a command she herself made but one that she was following and afraid of the results of it was violated. She is certainly the reigning Queen of her People namely the Silver Millennium but there are empires in the Solar System itself that hold no allegiance to her like The Golden Kingdom in the 90s anime or even Nehellenia's unnamed asteroid kingdom in the 90s anime.

? She never said the whole "It's the Law made by God" line, that came from Princess Serenity. Granted you could then argue "well why didn't Princess Serenity just refer to "God" as her mother if it was her?" but I think it was meant to be ambiguous on purpose, nevertheless, all evidence point to Queen Serenity being the one who made that law - or if not her maybe an ancestor of hers that she felt she had to honor by upholding the law in place.

Also the God need not be of necessarily a higher rank then Queen Serenity. Maybe it was a prophecy that this other God foretold to her that would bring calamity if happened which again is a common theme in Greek Mythology especially people trying to avoid their fate only for their actions to necessitate this fate happening. Even our word Necessary comes from the Roman word Necessitas aka their name for he Greek Goddess Ananke he Goddess of Neccessity and even a Goddess of Fate and the Wife of Chronos God of Time. and even to of the earliest Deities to come into being in he Orphic Religion and is in some traditions even described as the Mother of the Moirai/Parcae or The Fates themselves. In fact one of the names that Ananke was called besides Necessitas was Tecmor and Moira aka Fate.

The Gods and Goddesses myths described by Chibi-Usa in the Tanabata Picture Diary are just that - modern day Earth myths that give no indication whether these Gods and Goddesses actually existed. In fact, considering Queen Serenity herself states how the people of Earth refer to her as the "incarnation of Selene," it'd make more sense that modern-day Greeko/Roman mythology are simply misinterpretations of Silver Millenium figures and records passed down after Earth restarted it's history due to Saturn's glaive drop in the Sailor Moon universe. So just like Selene is really Queen Serenity, "Zeus" is actually just Princess Jupiter and so on and so forth.

Likewise we don't know if the Chronos Pluto refers to is an actual real-life person and her physical parent or if it's just a metaphorical title describing her position. Remember - Chronos in Latin means time, so Pluto could simply just be referring to herself as "The daughter of Time" indicating how she''s the Guardian of Time.

 

[ChibiNehellenia]

What if everything the sailor senshi knew about silver millennium was a lie? That Queen Serenity was not the ruler of the silver alliance and that the planets were at odds with eachother.
Some had alliances and some just downright hated eachother.
And the sailor senshi are not the protectors and guardians of Princess Serenity. But the rulers/crown princesses of their own empires that they rule and protect.
And to make it worst. The human sailor senshi are just host bodies for the princesses and that their powers are nothing to compared to the ancient warrior goddesses princesses.
They just have a small part of their powers and these goddesses are to awaken and fight again.

So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?
How different are them against their human host? What powers, weapons, abilities, guardian do you guys want them to have?

This reminds me of a fanfic idea with a similar premise.

"A vastly AU story where Artemis is a crazy genius geeky wizard who turned himself and his witch friend Luna into cats, and created the transformation devices and linked them to a bunch of girls he stalked, and made up bullshit back-stories involving reincarnation. Luna plays along with his stories and actually distributes the remaining transformation pens when a youkai outbreak hits that the mage association isn't handling because they've been corrupted and taken over from the inside and are now controlled by an 'evil' organization. Luna knows that the senshi are the only people she can be sure aren't actually mage association double agents, and thinks letting them believe Artemis' bullshit reincarnation story is the best way to motivate them in face of real danger, or risk them attempting to investigate the mage association and bungle her own investigations. Meanwhile Luna is trying to find out how to turn herself and Artemis human again, but not rushing because her current form serves as an effective way to hide from the corrupted mage association. Artemis goes along with her plan because he thinks it fun, and the energy draining golems sent out by the corrupted magic association don't know any better, plus the mages behind them are starting to think the senshi really are reincarnated ancient magic heroes and trying to seek the fictional ancient magic civilization's relics, which is really useful to Luna, as it sends them on a wild goose chase that likely has limited results, thank you Artemis.

Then once the incident is dealt with, Luna steals back the transformation items and reveals the truth to the shocked Sailor Scouts, some of whom go into denial over it and wind up teaming up with Artemis making trouble as super heroes endangering the masquerade and get in trouble with the fixed up magic association because of that, only for their interference to cause Luna to discover that the magic association is still corrupted in some parts, and the evil organization or whatever is still out there, and still using youma or something more stealthily, and only Artemis' magi-tech can detect the enemy's activities, or easily fight it, but he is as troublesome to work with, if not more-so, than Tabane from Infinite Stratos.

tl;dr - Reincarnation is bullshit story made up by Tabane!Artemis, Luna plays along as secret agent trying to deal with issues in magic association to take advantage of Artemis genius magic tools without trying to use potentially compromised other mages she doesn't know if she can trust."

 

[MariaTenebre]

Oh no Tsunderershipper your headcanon is far less likelier then mine. In fact do you know the reason why the Youma that were from the Dark Kingdom were always killed and not refreshed. Because they were all ready evil even of their own will. The Seven Great Youma were reincarnated as humans and were mostly good people or even a good cat. With the exception of Crane Game Joe who was an asshole but even though he was an asshole he wasn't a Dark Kingdom level villain. If anything he was more like those douchebag nerds Takurou Ootaku from Sailor V or Yukihide Ohbayashi from that gaming competion on Sailor Moon Sailor Stars. .

Typically a person can only be refreshed or purified from evil if the person is either A brainwashed to become evil against their will or B. turned evil of their own will and saw the error of their ways and turned good like say Nehellenia. If a person is evil and dosen't want to repent of their ways they won't be. Like say Kunzite in the episode where he died etc. Sailor Moon dosen't have the ability to purify someone from evil IF that is a choice they made for themselves and do not wish to change their ways and atone for their evil. She doesn't seem to have mind control powers of her own power like say Sailor Galaxia does. She can't force people to turn good.

And again my headcanons are more likely then yours because A. I am sure I know more about Sailor Moon and Inuyasha then you as does my brother and B yours is just the tired old deconstruction nonsense saying that Crystal Tokyo is an evil racist dystopia and the Black Moon Clan was right to rebel even though being a racist dictator isn't in Usagi's nature and in the 90s anime like in all canons save PGSM Usagi and Princess Serenity are the same person and neither of them are the evil monsters you make them out to be. I mean the very fact that you said that Neo Queen Serenity has White Privilege as a Japanese Woman pretty much invalidates your arguments.

Likewise there is no reason to discount King Endymion's recounting of the Black Moon Clan's origin. You could argue what he did with the Break Up arc wasn't the best idea but he had good reasons mainly to bring them together around Chibiusa not just as a couple themselves and none the less he never lied. What he did was really no more maliciously deceptive then Minako pretending to be the Moon Princess and not telling Usagi in the manga, Crystal, PGSM and other canons. Oh and I am sure I know way more about Japanese Mythology and folk lore and world mythology and folk lore then you do as we.

Next there is nothing saying that Queen Serenity herself made the law and it was also Queen Serenity who said the law was made by God. So she seemingly wasn't referring to herself and neither was Princess Serenity or they would have been clear about this. Plus since Shokujo and Kengyuu exist in the manga maybe Tentei or the Jade Emperor aka Taoism's God also known in Japan as Myoken also exists or again since we have a Selene and a Chronos we could have a Zeus too.

Also these Gods and Goddesses did exist. Shokujo and Kengyuu obviously existed so there is no reason why the other Gods told in the story didn't as well. Shokujo herself even refers to Tentei as Her Father.

Also Queen Serenity said that the people of Earth called her the Incarnation of Selene however in the 90s anime she emphatically states she IS the incarnation of Selene. So this is pretty much confirmed.

Likewise Sailor Pluto is referred to as having the blood of the God of Time Chronos flowing through her veins so Chronos most likely does exist

Also Chronos means time in Greek not Latin and Chronos was both Time Itself and the God of Time of the same name as the Gods were not Separate from the Phenomenas they bring in existence. So no Chronos means no time etc.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

yours is just the tired old deconstruction nonsense saying that Crystal Tokyo is an evil racist dystopia

I’m pretty sure I’m the first person to purport the theory that 90’s Crystal Tokyo was racist and banished the BMC for racial reasons. Most “Crystal Tokyo is evil!” fics go with the angle that they’re evil for reestablishing a single world-wide monarchy or exerting too much control over the populace - I’ve never once seen race being brought into play, so I’d say my headcanon is actually rather original.

in the 90s anime like in all canons save PGSM Usagi and Princess Serenity are the same person

I mean if that’s what the 90’s anime was trying to go for, they should’ve done a better job showing that. Show not tell is the number 1 golden rule of writing, on the contrary, what the 90’s anime does show us paints Princess Serenity in a totally different light from her reincarnated Usagi self (graceful and soft-spoken) unlike in the Manga where you can clearly tell they are the exact same person between the lifetimes.

neither of them are the evil monsters you make them out to be

Considering we know barely anything about Princess Serenity to begin with besides that one flashback episode and Artemis’s recounts you can’t say you know for sure what she was like, just saying.

I mean the very fact that you said that Neo Queen Serenity has White Privilege as a Japanese Woman pretty much invalidates your arguments

Like I said before, I didn’t mean it literally, I meant it as a metaphor for her mentality towards the BMC. But maybe you’re right, it was in poor taste, perhaps a more appropriate term would be her having “human privilege?”

You could argue what he did with the Break Up arc wasn't the best idea but he had good reasons mainly to bring them together around Chibiusa not just as a couple themselves and none the less he never lied. What he did was really no more maliciously deceptive then Minako pretending to be the Moon Princess and not telling Usagi in the manga, Crystal, PGSM and other canons.

Comparing Minako posing as the Princess out of necessity for her protection and when that knowledge affected no one emotionally because they were blissfully in the dark, to the pain and distress caused by some unneeded test that almost got Usagi and Mamoru to break up and caused them both great emotional turmoil and nearly cost Chibi-Usa’s very existence? Yeah sure, these two situations are totally the exact same thing on the emotional harm scale, dude trust me.

 

[MariaTenebre]

And those ideas are as wrong as yours. Crystal Tokyo never exerted "too much control on the people" you really think they are a autocracy when kids are literally allowed to bully and make fun of the Princess with no retaliation. Try making fun or bullying the Crown Princess or Prince in any other Nation, Tribe, Kingdom etc in history and see how long your head remains on your shoulders or the heads of your family. What do you think would have happened to anyone who bullied Kim Jong Un when he was a kid? Their entire family would be gone after that. If anything Neo Queen Serenity seems rather laissez faire when it comes to her people allowing them to criticize and go about their business. Unless they you know commit treason and enact terrorism.

Also why is it evil to establish a single world government when it seems like a perfectly decent utopia or as much a utopia as we are ever going to get. We all ready have a world with many nations many of whom are warring with each other and have abysmal human rights records. I would trade a world where she was our God Queen over the world we have now any day now because quite frankly our world is a disaster and has been so for a long time. So yeah give me a Pagan Goddess God Queen Empire over he stuff we have now any day. Your racial nonsense dosen't even fit in anyways because if she was this humanity first supremacist like you make her out to be why would her advisors be two alien Mau Cats who could easily be Nekomata or when Al and En turned good she just didn't murder them etc and I would argue they could easily be Kodama or Tree Youkai etc.

Why would they need to show it. Again Usagi acts no more graceful or soft spoken then as opposed to now. In fact the times we saw Princess Serenity in the past were during serious moments like pining for Endymion or worrying about the war with Earth. Usagi now dosen't act happy go lucky and bubbly when serious stuff happens she acts just like that. There is nothing a all to suggest in the 90s anime that the two are separate people AT ALL. Literally the only thing you can argue is that Usagi wasn't as good of a figure skater as Princess Serenity but that is also because she never figure skated before. However while figure skating on that same episode she even did a complicated skating trick that only an expert skater could do and even then after long years of training. I mean I doubt Michael Jordan would have been the star basketball player if he was reincarnated in a new life and never played basketball before etc.

Yeah and we also can't know that Beryl was some lovely benevolent woman originally who waged war against the tyrannical Moon Kingdom. Again now you are just treading into typical deconstructionist badfic territory. There is nothing on the show to say that Queen Serenity nor Princess Serenity were anything but good virtuous people.

Yeah and it was a bad metaphor and not fitting. If she had some issue with non humans then it dosen't make sense for her to have three Nekomata from Mau. So the idea dosen't hold up especially when she herself is the reincarnation of a Moon Princess thus not originally a Earth Human herself but more like say the Princess Kaguya of myth.

Yeah but Minako knew that Usagi aka Sailor Moon was really the Princess. Even if she played the role of a decoy Princess it might have been a good idea to say hey girls Usagi aka Sailor Moon is the real Princess but I am playing the decoy so we can protect her and keep the Dark Kingdom from getting her. That could have honestly saved them alot of trouble if they knew Usagi was the Moon Princess. I am sure Usagi would react weirdly at first but they would have all been on the same page.

I mean to use an example on Star Wars episode one Queen Padme Amidala had a decoy Sabe that frequently posed as her to protect the Queen with Padme taking the role of a Handmaid and even subtly giving Sabe directions even while dressed as a mere handmaid for her own protection. This was only revealed in the end of the movie. Meanwhile Minako knew that Usagi was the Moon Princess they were all looking for but did not tell them and I think she even knew this in the 90s anime as well even though she didn't pretend to be the Moon Princess there. If anything I would say this could have been even more disastrous. It was like if one Sailor Senshi knew who the Talisman owners were in Sailor Moon S and didn't tell either the Inners or the Outers as the Princess and the Silver Crystal were the main things all three sides IE Sailor Moon and her team, Tuxedo Mask and the Dark Kingdom were all seeking for their own respective victories.

Likewise the reason it was implied he sent Mamoru those dreams was because again he knew that Chibiusa would become Black Lady because the timeline is a closed loop and he wanted to make sure that Mamoru and Usagi would spend time around her and get to know her as their future parents as opposed to maybe spending their time together.

Was it the best idea maybe not but he had good intentions. Just like Minako should have told the Inners who the real Moon Princess was. She and Artemis should have.

This does not make the Dark Kingdom or the Black Moon Clan "the true heroes all along."

 

[Onuzim Ima]

♪Babe... I got you Babe... ♫

And here we go again, Groundhog Day Loop all inclusive. Just another one of my Pet Peeves. Why does about EVERYONE need to continuously interpret so much into a work of Fiction set in a world where our rules on Logic, Physics and Whathaveyounot possibly don't even apply? Can't we all just stop Thinking too much and enjoy it for what it is? It's only a show, so... Screw this, we all KNOW the rest!

Yeah but Minako knew that Usagi aka Sailor Moon was really the Princess. Even if she played the role of a decoy Princess it might have been a good idea to say hey girls Usagi aka Sailor Moon is the real Princess but I am playing the decoy so we can protect her and keep the Dark Kingdom from getting her. That could have honestly saved them alot of trouble if they knew Usagi was the Moon Princess.

@MariaTenebre Would it really be a good idea? Y'know, with being , there'd be a chance or risk of her spilling it out prematurely. Same goes for the others, would they be captured and tortured/mind-read.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Your racial nonsense dosen't even fit in anyways because if she was this humanity first supremacist like you make her out to be why would her advisors be two alien Mau Cats who could easily be Nekomata

If she had some issue with non humans then it dosen't make sense for her to have three Nekomata from Mau.

Again, we are discussing the 90’s anime here and in the 90’s anime the Cats being from Mau isn’t a thing, so for all we know, Luna, Artemis and Diana are just native, magical Mooncats. Stop trying to always apply Manga canon to the 90’s anime, they are two separate, distinct continuities with their own separate lore written by separate people with their own interpretations of the Sailor Moon universe. The Manga was written by Naoko and Osabu while the 90’s anime was written by Junichi Sato, Ikuhara, Igurashi and an assortment of other Toei writers, they are not the same thing.

Likewise the reason it was implied he sent Mamoru those dreams was because again he knew that Chibiusa would become Black Lady because the timeline is a closed loop and he wanted to make sure that Mamoru and Usagi would spend time around her and get to know her as their future parents as opposed to maybe spending their time together

Except this is false because Endymion outright states that the reason he sent those dreams was to “test” Usagi and Mamoru’s love, which is especially idiotic and bad writing because you’d think the guy would already know how strong their love is considering, y’know, he’s currently married to the girl?

 

[MariaTenebre]

I find it humorous Tsundereshipper that you are up in your feelings for assuming that the planet Mau exists in the Sailor Moon anime when we do have Sailor Tin Nyanko who must have come from some extra solar planet very likely Mau and there is nothing saying that Luna and Artemis do not come from said planet when you yourself mix Inuyasha into your story even though it is a completely different series owned by Rumiko Takahashi. Meanwhile the manga was the basis for the 90s anime and even though the 90s anime took some liberties from the manga some great and some small it was still based on said manga.

None the less even if we are to assume that Luna and Artemis don't come from Mau but are Moon Cats. They could still be youkai and nekomata or bakeneko at that maybe just ones who live in the Moon. After all in many east Asian Mythologies there is a Rabbit and Frog that live on the Moon with Luna Deities like Tsukiyomi, Princess Kaguya, Chang E, Wu Gang etc. In fact according to Inuyasha there even was a real Princess Kaguya living on the Moon long after the fall of the Silver Millennium who was slain by some Demon who took her form. Plus Kitsune aka Fox/Vixen spirits were in many traditions across Japan, Korea and China said to worship the Moon because it provided them with Yin Energy necessary to sustain them. So Kitsune/Huli Jing/Gumiho atleast seem like they would be very pro Moon even more then the Nekomata or Bakeneko since they literally worship the Moon. Which again none of that negates my points but does negate yours.

King Endymion said he sent the dreams to "test their love" however the exact reasons and purposes he said to test their love were not elaborated on. It can't have been to test their love and devotion to one another because he knows that he loved her deeply and unquestionably back then so it must have been for something else and I definitely think we know what that something else was because King Endymion's voice mentioning that testing of their love was heard during the battle with Wiseman/Death Phantom when Chibiusa was corrupted and brainwashed by Black Lady. So it was implied that was the reason for the test to bring them closer to Chibiusa as her future parents knowing her individually no just as lovers but as future parents to know her while she was in his traumatized and sensitive state because he knew that this was going to happen because of the closed loop.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Meanwhile the manga was the basis for the 90s anime and even though the 90s anime took some liberties from the manga some great and some small it was still based on said manga

Not true, the 90’s anime and Manga were created simultaneously and each went with their own ideas using only the initial concepts given. Sailor Moon was always meant to be a multi-media franchise worked on by different people, it’s not like your typical anime adaptation that gets made based on a manga’s surging popularity. The 90’s anime was always meant to do it’s own thing and both the first chapter of the SM manga and first episode of the anime debuted nearly simultaneously.

closed loop

Has it ever been confirmed that Time Travel in SM works as a closed loop? Especially in the 90’s anime where Pluto directly states in that very arc to the Senshi that the future is what they make of it and Crystal Tokyo is just one of many possible futures.

 

[MariaTenebre]

It is true. Naoko Takeuchi was required to send a character sheet for the new seasons as well as to write the manga at the same time as a guide to adapt the 90s anime. Of course whether they used her ideas, altered, changed etc was to their own descretion.

It is one of many possible futures but this is also the future they wish to happen. The fact that for one if something happens to either Mamoru or Usagi that could prevent Chibiusa from coming into being that she will disappear is proof of this. It is a closed loop for this future and the future they want to happen but if someone does something really bad or they fail etc then yes they will get another future but it isn't one that they want etc.