What should the 3rd Sailor Moon rebooted anime look like?

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ChibiNehellenia

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So there's a new comic called Flavor Girls and it's clearly inspired by Sailor Moon, so maybe a reboot can take some hints from this ironically.


What's interesting about this is that all four girls seem to have aspects of Usagi personality like Camille who is the Makoto expy having Usagi stomach and... vulgarness at times.
 
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I would have preferred a Sailor Moon spin-off with Senshi from another Solar System.
 
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And I'd for sure watch it. People are generally more appreciative of the down-to-earth, less grandiose stories in modern fiction anyway. I think that's been the case ever since Superman flopped and Batman took off.

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Nothing says down to earth like a billionaire with a fursona beating up the mentally ill and impoverish
 
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I don't even think that's unpopular. Takeuchi blew up because of the anime, not her drawings.
It probably was a little bit of both. Though I do think the anime (90's) contributed a large chunk of the show's success globally.

I do commend Naoko for doing what she did concurrently with the anime. She kept the story going and created new characters. The manga itself has a refinement about it that does captivate you. The art is really great.

The perfect adaptation should have captured the refinements of her manga with the depths of the anime storyline for certain things.
 

RebelOfDaNew

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It probably was a little bit of both. Though I do think the anime (90's) contributed a large chunk of the show's success globally.

I do commend Naoko for doing what she did concurrently with the anime. She kept the story going and created new characters. The manga itself has a refinement about it that does captivate you. The art is really great.

The perfect adaptation should have captured the refinements of her manga with the depths of the anime storyline for certain things.
I think it's evident the details that she coasted off the show, even if her manga was better in areas and popular in circles. She would've been famous regardless, as BSSM was innovative for the time--but Sailor V wasn't a hit. The hit that she became was only because, like you said, she worked with the anime team as she wrote her BSSM, which was horribly rushed (imo, so the anime didn't drown in filler) and her panel art is pretty to look at, yeah, which drew people towards the show. The panels themselves hard as hell to follow.

Nothing says down to earth like a billionaire with a fursona beating up the mentally ill and impoverish
But I think you got what I meant. I meant not overly fantastical, flying around at stupid-physics speeds, blowing up planets. Only VS Battle Bros love a show for that stuff. That's not Sailor V; she competes with the police.
 

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What I would love would be a series picking up immediately after episode 200, following the girls through the end of high school and into their adult lives, and having to juggle being a bishoujo senshi and future queen/royal entourage while also doing mundane adult stuff. If they want SM to appeal to adult women, then it would be cool and quite funny to show us the characters as adults.

So I guess Parallel Sailor Moon, but for real.

But… I’m a realist. We’re probably going to get another retelling of Dark Kingdom for the 40th anniversary.
 

Nadia

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Since Sailor Moon enjoys telling the same 5 seasons of storylines over and over again and we'll likely never get new animated content.....when they reboot the series for a 3rd time...what do you think it should like?

Animation wise? any particular style you'd like to see?

Storyline deviations in each season?

Anything that should carry over from the OG/Crystal?

Episode count?
Here I go again with that chronic contarianism I really need to get checked out.

First and foremost, I believe Sailor Moon has to go the full 3D CGI route at this point if it wants to stay relevant. While 2D animation is definitely not dead, especially for anime, for older franchises, CG allows for a visual makeover 2D doesn't provide. I never did hate the CG transformations, for instance in Crystal; the real problem to me was when the animators clearly traced over 3D models for certain 2D animation sequences and that was a BIG cause of many "mistakes." Making it CG makes it easier to provide models and well as to re-use assets. Most importantly, it being CG would definitely bring in the kids.

Second, I really think Sailor Moon could take a page out of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' playbook. That franchise had the 80's series which was both loved for nostalgia but hated for being so far afield from the original comics, then a 00s series which while going in its own direction like PGSM, also was a lot darker than the 80's series ever dared to go. So in 2012, there was yet another series, this one keeping much of the setup, rules, and references to the 80's series while building it into its own thing as well as bringing in elements from other iterations. In a sense, that's what I think the next Sailor Moon series should do...use the 90's anime as a launching point but create its own story arcs.

My biggest storyline deviation I would like to see, though, would be expanding the roles of the civilians. I would start by giving Sailor Moon the Crescent Moon Wand off the bat the way PGSM did, which would mean Naru's mother would become Morga and she would be healed back to her "normal" self...except after the fight, unknown to everyone, that "healing" would seemingly start to wear off. Eventually, it would be revealed that Ms. Osaka was always a Youma sleeper agent...and so all of Jadeite's Youma were the same. This would also mean that Naru is (unknowingly) of Dark Kingdom heritage herself.

Toei could try and do a sort of DBZ-like tactic and bring some of the MOTDs over to the side of the Senshi, maybe they were spared in their debut episode because those MOTDs didn't like what they were being told to do by the Shitennou/Ayakashi/Witches/Amazon/ess/Animamates and just simply drop the plan when offered to do so by the Sailor Senshi of the 2020's, 30's, 40's etc.
I like this idea. My personal spin on this, for the Dark Kingdom arc at least, would be that because there are both sleeper agents (Jadeite's Youma) and fully reincarnated Youma (Rainbow Crystal Carriers, and then, eventually Kunzite's Youma who are just reincarnated foot soldiers), many of the Youma themselves would switch allegiances simply because they've lived human lives, they like their human lives, and pretty much see themselves as human. There would also be some Youma who would switch sides after the defeat of Beryl because they'd have no place to go and aren't inherently evil. And there would be Youma who would be straight examples of what you described. Of course, there would also be Youma who would see Sailor Moon healing human-turned-Youma an attempt at genocide and would become even more fervent fanatics for the Dark Kingdom. Sailor Moon definitely is not going to save everyone, and saving our world may mean the destruction of another one...

As a matter of fact, a big missed opportunity: Rather than redoing the manga, they should've had Haruna gain powers and fight alongside Usagi. Not sure that's ever been done in an anime before. Definitely not in the last decade.

Going to expand this, but it's probably not worth a thread. I'm not talking about some type of martial artist master/pupil thing, or a setting where everyone's some kind of fighter or magical person (like magic academies). Those have been done before, but I really can't think of any show I've seen that has a normal teacher and their normal student finding out at different points that they have abnormal powers, and then teaming up to fight whoever. While keeping that ordinary teacher/student relationship in school throughout the day. I just don't think it's ever happened.
I really like this idea. My take on this was going to be somewhat different, though, with Haruna being one of the Rainbow Crystal carriers - that would have had more impact than, say, Reika being one (heck, Motoki should have been the final carrier). In her episode, even after being awakened, she would choose to aid the heroes because she liked being a teacher and being a champion for the Dark Kingdom got her killed. Eventually, she would start to use her powers to protect her students whenever villains would target them and she and Usagi would be aware of each other's powers. However, in the end, it would still be Sailor Moon's show.

I feel Haruna would work better than Naru as well. Naru is supposed to be a better version of Usagi in every way besides the special powers. She's smarter, excels at school, is more mature, is more athletic, is more popular, and does more with her life. Haruna has some obvious faults in her personality that'd play off Usagi--especially when Usagi's showing off in battle but back to failing in class. But Naru as another magical ally might as well steal the show. It's almost combining Ami and Minako.
I personally think both would work...but like in PGSM, I think there's some tension to be had as Usagi drifts away from her best friend in favor of her new super secret friends. I could see this, plus the discovery of her own special nature, putting Naru in a very dark place in which she tries to reach out to Usagi but Usagi can't be there because of being a Senshi...fracturing the friendship. Naru would come around be an ally in my vision, but she'd have to undergo an antagonistic phase, first. Then she wouldn't necessarily steal the spot of a Senshi as she would be an ally who has had to overcome her own inadequacies and would be fundamentally different than a teammate.
 
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sapphire91

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If they go 3DCGI it will alienate the fanbase. Remember what happened when they did the transformations this way... People hated it. Also even new anime titles that tried to do full 3d were not so well received in and out of Japan. I know a lot of younger anime fans that started watching anime precisely because it is 2d and they are tired with the 3d cartoons.
 
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If they go 3DCGI it will alienate the fanbase. Remember what happened when they did the transformations this way... People hated it. Also even new anime titles that tried to do full 3d were not so well received in and out of Japan. I know a lot of younger anime fans that started watching anime precisely because it is 2d and they are tired with the 3d cartoons.
I am all for it if its directed by Michael Bay with full 100 percent creativity. Yes, it will disgust the fandom as a whole but it will give birth to many more Hollywood adaptations with lots of merchandise to sell like the hydra that :usagi: franchise should have been. Not with Crystal's lack luster and conservative marketing.
 
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Akari @ria

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Part of the issue with repeating the SM manga is that the SM manga was arguably worse than the original anime. In many ways.
for me it's the exact opposite.

The historical anime has many flaws in my opinion, the exaggerated comedy, the too many fillers (especially the rainbow crystals in the dark kingdom saga and the whole Ail and An arc in R), the putting aside many of the main characters in relation to powers and importance, the whole stars series...

The Sailormoon manga is more mature and profound in many aspects, we find ourselves confronted with the feelings of the characters and with increasingly difficult situations caused by the enemies from which to exit.

Until they give me a properly done animated version of the manga, I won't be satisfied.
 
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(especially the rainbow crystals in the dark kingdom saga and the whole Ail and An arc in R
Those were some of the best parts of their respective seasons though…


the putting aside many of the main characters in relation to powers and importance,
The manga is even worse in this regard with basically every Senshi not named Usagi, Chibi-Usa, Mamoru or Minako (and to some extent Setsuna and Hotaru as well) having to take a backseat, and the manga on the whole engages in way more shonen-style power-scaling than the 90’s anime ever does since with the latter battles are played as comedic more often than not.


The Sailormoon manga is more mature and profound in many aspects
Classic, S and even SuperS also delved into pretty mature and profound subject matters.
 

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What I would love would be a series picking up immediately after episode 200, following the girls through the end of high school and into their adult lives, and having to juggle being a bishoujo senshi and future queen/royal entourage while also doing mundane adult stuff. If they want SM to appeal to adult women, then it would be cool and quite funny to show us the characters as adults.

So I guess Parallel Sailor Moon, but for real.

But… I’m a realist. We’re probably going to get another retelling of Dark Kingdom for the 40th anniversary.
I wouldn't mind a retelling if they did something new. Most of the youma have no development or backstory. Thetis is the only exception, and she doesn't change because she cares about a guy who doesn't care about her. Even Thetis herself is basically a mini-Beryl as far as backstory (Jadeite/Endymion), and Beryl just sits there waving her hands at the crystal ball until the last couple episodes. Like, that's your final boss.

It'd be the same premise, but so much is open to change. A "reimagining" more than a retelling.

for me it's the exact opposite.

The historical anime has many flaws in my opinion, the exaggerated comedy, the too many fillers (especially the rainbow crystals in the dark kingdom saga and the whole Ail and An arc in R), the putting aside many of the main characters in relation to powers and importance, the whole stars series...

The Sailormoon manga is more mature and profound in many aspects, we find ourselves confronted with the feelings of the characters and with increasingly difficult situations caused by the enemies from which to exit.

Until they give me a properly done animated version of the manga, I won't be satisfied.
Filler isn't always bad. In television, filler is just anything that waits for the manga story beats. What's usually bad is padding, which is anything arbitrarily put in to make a scene longer, and both versions had that. The anime had...all its transformation scenes and those speeches Moon gave before her fights The last 2 episodes of S, etc. I barely read the manga, but most of Usagi vs Lethe was padding. And that was one fight.

I do remember the rainbow crystals dragging on a bit, and maybe it was the same for the aliens. But I've seen guys who love Greg/Amy and Boxy--and I still remember the lovely punch...and I personally didn't mind the aliens whenever they weren't being villains, which is how that typically goes.
 
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Seira Hazuki

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It’s always funny to me that fandom will rake the franchise through the coals for the series not being ambitious or creative enough, and then in the same breath suggest they should remake the original ‘90s anime.

When there is a third reboot, I just hope they start fresh and instead of remaking anything, they try to tell a new story that fits modern standards even if it’s with just the cast of the Dark Kingdom. But like really switch it up. Change the order of the guardians awakening, maybe have another one of the guardians active first instead of Venus, involve the outers, maybe even mix and match villains… but just do SOMETHING different.

Like I get the ferocious nostalgia for the ‘90s anime, but Crystal should be a lesson that any fandom’s memories of the past are viewed through rose-colored glasses and an attempt to remake something from
the past never fully captures the essence of the original. It’s why you have manga fans wanting another faithful adaptation of the manga despite Crystal already literally adapting the work page by page… It differs from what they have built up in their heads.