What Villain Should Mamoru Be With?

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What Villain Should Mamoru Be With?

  • Queen Beryl

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Mio Kuroki (PGSM)

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • Ann/En

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • Black Lady/Wicked Lady

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • Fish Eye

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • Queen Nehellenia

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • Sailor Galaxia

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Fiore

    Votes: 14 45.2%
  • Other (Please specify)

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • Loof Merrow

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    31

Memento

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Mamoru has had so many potential love interests across all the different versions of the series, I thought I'd break them up into two groups for the sake of doing polls: villains and (duh) non-villains. Today's poll: villain edition.

So, what villain do you think Mamoru should have ended up with? Should he have stayed true to his betrothed*, Queen Beryl? (*La Reconquista canon.) Or maybe he should have hooked up with her live action series shadow self, Mio Kuroki? With his penchant for roses, maybe he should have fallen for a botanical alien like En or Fiore. Maybe you like incest in your media, so you ship him with the evil version of his daughter, Black/Wicked Lady. Maybe you like the idea of him with a queen, but prefer Nehellenia to Beryl. Maybe you're into the dominant/submissive vibe of his brief interaction with Galaxia? Perhaps you found yourself rooting for him to be with Fish Eye? Or maybe there's another villain I've forgotten about - a monster-of-the-day, a video game or musical exclusive villain, or some other baddie - with whom you ship our* favorite tuxedo-wearing dork? (*Prince Rose not included)
 
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Far and away Fiore, that's the only one who seemed like it might possibly be requited. They might just have a brotherly/platonic friends kind of relationship, and Xenian Flower-possessed Fiore is being a creep, but, I feel like he largely had good intentions and they had some sort of chemistry (although they didn't really have any non-Xenian-Flower-influenced interactions except as kids which is kinda weird), but, basically have an easier time imagining this one, under wildly different circumstances. Also they're very handsome together. As for the rest:

Queen Beryl
- He reaaaaally didn't seem okay with this, although I can't judge La Reconquista, that version might make more sense. (I'm giong to have to add that one to my long, slowly explored lists, somewhere next to the musicals but below PGSM, aren't I...) But as for the manga and anime versions I just can't see it working out at all.

Mio Kuroki
- I can't judge this one either, since I haven't seen PGSM.

Ann / En / Anne / Eiaghn
- She's nice and all (a little ill-considered murderous intent for Usagi aside), and they had that thing at the play together, but, he spends almost all of his interactions with her attempting to withdraw or seeming kind of uncomfortable. I guess he also was going to bring her flowers that one time he thought she was ill, but, he seems pretty much regard her only as a friend. Sort of like Usagi and Seiya I guess, but lower key?

Chibi-Usa
- While I can imagine cases where consenting adults of blood relation (such as cousins or possibly siblings) might have some kind of equitable and healthy relationship (though unable to safely conceive), parent-child relationships are a whole other level of weird, and Black Lady was clearly not a true consenting adult since she was brainwashed and transformed. Super weird and bad dynamic for a whole bunch of reasons.

Fish Eye
- Ehh, I'm not seeing it. Fish Eye's not really mature enough either at this stage, and I still think the Trio are probably less adult than they appear/try to fake.

Queen Nehellennia
- This is a rare case where I'm not sure either of them care. I mean, she grabs him with that gold eye shard thing, but that seems more like it's for revenge against Usagi than any actual interset in Mamoru, and he just sits there like a drooling zombie. Had she even gotten past her obsession with Pegasus at that point? Also where was Pegasus for that arc anyways, what's going on

Sailor Galaxia
- Not sure either of them had any chemistry, either. I mean, I guess it's a blank enough slate you can write what you want, but, it seems to me sort of like shipping a shooting victim with the robber when that was the first time they met.

As far as other villains... maybe Jadeite didn't finish drowning him because he secretly loved him I've got nothin'.
 

Memento

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Queen Beryl
- He reaaaaally didn't seem okay with this, although I can't judge La Reconquista, that version might make more sense. (I'm giong to have to add that one to my long, slowly explored lists, somewhere next to the musicals but below PGSM, aren't I...) But as for the manga and anime versions I just can't see it working out at all.
According to the novelization of La Reconquista, they met when they were eight (Endymion) and seven (Beryl). Their families would get together a few times every year and arranged a marriage between them. Beryl fell in love with him and always wanted to dance with him, but he always told her he didn't know how to dance. Eventually he meets Serenity and falls in love with her, calling off the arranged marriage. You get the impression he liked Beryl as a friend, but he never had romantic feelings for her.
 

Zyvik

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Incest is hot, so Black Lady :p

Just kidding. Honestly, I'm not sure which option is the lesser evil. Mamoru sure has a knack for attracting creepy, obsessive stalkers. Maybe Galaxia? Mamoru would make a good sub.
 

Memento

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I voted for Sailor Galaxia (their interaction may be brief, but I felt there was more chemistry between them than between him and most of the other villains) and Other. In as much as Princess Sailor Moon from PGSM can be seen as a villain, I think they'd make a good pairing (though that may be cheating a little :lol:).
 

Nadia

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I really don't ship any of these, but I picked the two Queens for two very different reasons.

In most incarnations, I do not want to see Queen Beryl end up with Mamoru. I don't even like that aspect to the backstory, and manga/Crystal makes her seem just like a jealous stalker (although at least the original manga made me feel bad for present-day Beryl since she was forced into evil in this life). La Reconquista honestly made me feel bad for the first Beryl, because instead of being a jealous stalker, it makes her the wronged party. It's easy to forget from our modern perspective, but in antiquity, being engaged in a lot of cultures was a close equivalent of being married and women who were dumped at that point were often thought as damaged goods. Even if it were arranged, you don't just cut out on your duty just because you fall in love with someone else, especially when you're the Prince of the Earth Kingdom. Even when she was reborn, she still couldn't get to Endymion's incarnation in time before meeting Serenity's incarnation

That doesn't make Queen Beryl right, of course. She sold her soul to Queen Metalia and deserves her fate, but Endymion, cheater shouldn't go free. Either kill him too and make it stick, or punish them both by having them stuck together forever.

As for Nehellenia, I chose her because I like the idea of an evil queen getting her prince, and because since the limited interactions between the two have been him completely brainwashed, any actual relationship is up to the imagination.

Concerning Mio...did she ever seriously go after Mamoru in PGSM? It's been a while since I watched the show, but most of her antics were trying to get Usagi's school friends to turn against her. Then again, from what I remember of PGSM, I remember more people hating her than her actually having a substantial role in the show. In any case, I wouldn't want her with him or anyone.

As for Ann/En, no.

This might seem weird because I do ship Ail/Usagi, but that's because the two of them are far more compatible. By contrast, En constantly pushes herself onto Mamoru, trying to bump into him and actively scheming to make him hers. However, it is clear that in all of his interactions with her, he does not show any interest in her whatsoever. Plus, she seems to be fiercely protective of Ail, so even if she did get her hooks into Mamoru, she still wouldn't be satisfied.

Black Lady is a double no. No for incest and and no because the space-time continuum would probably unfold.

As far as Fisheye and Fiore are concerned, Fisheye is too immature and shallow, and Fiore is his childhood friend (and one not bound to him via a proposal of marriage).
 

Onuzim Ima

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Maybe there's another villain I've forgotten about - a monster-of-the-day, a video game or musical exclusive villain, or some other baddie - with whom you ship our* favorite tuxedo-wearing dork? (*Prince Rose not included)
How about Esmeraude? She DID flirt with him, after all!

Fish Eye
- Ehh, I'm not seeing it. Fish Eye's not really mature enough either at this stage, and I still think the Trio are probably less adult than they appear/try to fake.
Also keep in mind it'd be basically Bestiality as the AT were originally Animals transformed/camouflaged into Humanoids.
 
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and Fiore is his childhood friend (and one not bound to him via a proposal of marriage).
That is kind of a weak point in it, yeah. They don't have much of a clear relationship beyond friends as kids, except in the context of Fiore being possessed by the Xenian flower, so we aren't really sure how they'd feel about each other.

How about Esmeraude? She DID flirt with him, after all!
Amusing premise, but I'm not really seeing it XD I think Esmeraude was kind of mentally unstable, and if she had serious interest in anyone, it seemed to be Diamande (not that he seemed to notice / care in his own mind-influenced state hanging out with Wiseman and creeping on Usagi all the time).

Also keep in mind it'd be basically bestiality as the AT were originally Animals transformed/camouflaged into Humanoids.
While I still don't ship Fisheye x Mamoru, I don't think I'd object to it from a bestiality standpoint. The main thing wrong with bestiality to me is that animals are not intelligent enough to communicate and handle consent practices... the trio are clearly sapient, although they do lack sufficient maturity. But on top of that, they take human forms, so it seems like a technicality. I don't have a problem with Luna x Kakeru Ozora (other than it being kind of bland and Artemis being the more likely pick for Luna), and I kind of like the idea of Artemis x Minako, so I can't really fault that element of it. It's like, if aliens with human intelligence showed up, I wouldn't be opposed to humans romancing aliens, so if animals with human intelligence show up, what's the diference? But your mileage may vary.
 
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I found this comic, which makes sense that Mamoru is being loved by so many villains XD

As for my vote, Fish-Eye and Fiore.
Fish Eye learned from Mamoru that Usagi has many dreams, which made Amazon Trio feel even more about living as a human, only in form.
And for Fiore, it was more emotional love for Mamoru, and Fiore even got saved by Mamoru two times. This leads Fiore helps Mamoru to revive Sailor Moon.
 
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*checks votes to see if anyone voted for Black Lady, sighs in relief when seeing there are none* There’s hope for this fandom after all.

Fiore and Fish-Eye for the 90’s anime, Beryl for all other versions. But only the Beryl in the past before she got possessed by Metallia and turned evil - I could see a scenario where Endymion could’ve potentially been interested in her if he hadn’t met Princess Serenity. (Would also be interesting if he fell for her reincarnation in the present before he met Usagi and she reawakened as Beryl)In the La Reconquista Musical they were even engaged, which only serves to make Beryl’s heel-face turn even more understandable.

Even though I know Naoko doesn’t do Yaoi I think Manga and/or PGSM Kunzite/Mamoru has potential, PGSM Zoisite/Mamoru too. (Yes they count as villains, if Fiore, En, Black Lady and Fish-Eye can be on here, they can too)

For an absolute crackship option, I like (Manga) Galaxia/Mamoru as well, but that’s only because I thought up this whole headcanon scenario in my mind in which they could’ve reasonably come together.

There’s a special place in hell for anyone seriously thinking of voting for Black Lady and it not being a troll vote. :P


While I can imagine cases where consenting adults of blood relation (such as cousins or possibly siblings) might have some kind of equitable and healthy relationship (though unable to safely conceive), parent-child relationships are a whole other level of weird, and Black Lady was clearly not a true consenting adult since she was brainwashed and transformed. Super weird and bad dynamic for a whole bunch of reasons.
And this is exactly why a ship like Demande/Saphir is fine actually. (They’re the same sex so can’t conceive anyways) Pedophilic grooming incest ships of the opposite sex like Mamoru/Chibiusa are no bueno though. Honestly pairing Chibi-Usa up with any adult is weird, no I don’t care if her Manga/Crystal version is really over 900, that’s just the typical bs “really 2000 year old dragon who looks 8” anime excuse to justify lolicon. :|
 

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And this is exactly why a ship like Demande/Saphir is fine actually. (They’re the same sex so can’t conceive anyways) Pedophilic grooming incest ships of the opposite sex like Mamoru/Chibiusa are no bueno though. Honestly pairing Chibi-Usa up with any adult is weird, no I don’t care if her Manga/Crystal version is really over 900, that’s just the typical bs “really 2000 year old dragon who looks 8” anime excuse to justify lolicon. :|
Please, someone protect our innocent 20 year old students (or at least our horses) from lusting 900 year olds. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
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An because she really loves Mamoru and she's always been nice to him too. The good thing about An is that she didn't try to brainwash, hurt, and/or kidnap Mamoru because she wants him to love her for being herself.
 
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An because she really loves Mamoru and she's always been nice to him too. The good thing about An is that she didn't try to brainwash, hurt, and/or kidnap Mamoru because she wants him to love her for being herself.
I agree!
 
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Fish Fiore or Beryl
if you ask me let anyone have him as long as that someone isn't Usagi
I hope that “anyone” still excludes Chibi-Usa, as any sane person would. :P


Please, someone protect our innocent 20 year old students (or at least our horses) from lusting 900 year olds. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Not the Horses! :rofl::circles:Pretty soon we’re gonna need a Chris Hansen version of PETA if Chibs keeps it up. :lol:


Added Loof Merrow from the Kaguya Island musicals to the poll since she, too, had ~feelings~ for Mamoru.
I’ve yet to see this Musical so this is the first I’m hearing about this character but damnn what is it about Mamoru and villains wanting to bone him? Does he give off some sort of villain attracting pheromones or something? He’s as much villain bait as Naru is Youma bait, pretty soon they’ll both have to go into some sort of Witness Protection Program just to avoid being walking targets. :mischief:
 
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