Adapations seem to like Prince Demande a lot

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It wasn't really a redemption.Ignoring saphir, and Rubeus were killed as well.
Crystal lets the Shitennou live longer and expands their relationships with the Senshi.

Demande gets a redemption of sorts that was not in the manga.

It’s just kinda off that a heavy female series that pretends to sprout feminism platitudes lets male villains in love get some form of redemption and treats its female villains as utterly disposable
 
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Crystal lets the Shitennou live longer and expands their relationships with the Senshi.

Demande gets a redemption of sorts that was not in the manga.

It’s just kinda off that a heavy female series that pretends to sprout feminism platitudes lets male villains in love get some form of redemption and treats its female villains as utterly disposable
Because Demande was well written in the manga compare to most others?

Beryl could have been written a bit better just that they didn't choose to.

The 90s anime did well to write the sisters, as well as the rest BMC members.
 

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The way Crystal changed his death was actually one of the few good changes. He's supposed to be the main villain of the arc along with Wiseman yet in the manga he goes down like some random droid.
 
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Demande gets a redemption of sorts that was not in the manga.
I’m failing to see how the way Demande went down in Crystal was “a redemption of sorts.” He doesn’t reform in anyway or acknowledge that he was wrong, he still wants to kill Sailor Moon, how did they redeem him in any capacity?


No he wasn’t. He was as bland and one note as the rest of them.
This is the correct answer. The entire BMC in the Manga were as bland as a sack of paper, Rubeus was the only one out of all of them that had some semblance of a personality. The 90’s anime and musicals is what made them the characters we all came to love.

I always like to say 90’s anime Demande is a character, whereas Manga/Crystal Demande is less of a character and more just the embodiment of the concept of Toxic Masculinity, he’s meant to represent your typical,right-wing, overly religious nutjob who believes in Darwin’s Theory and thinks a Socialist system is “evil.” (Which is basically what Crystal Tokyo is)

The way Crystal changed his death was actually one of the few good changes. He's supposed to be the main villain of the arc along with Wiseman yet in the manga he goes down like some random droid.
He still went down like a common droid in Crystal, only difference being it was by Death Phantom’s hand rather than Moon & Mask’s.
 
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I’m failing to see how the way Demande went down in Crystal was “a redemption of sorts.” He doesn’t reform in anyway or acknowledge that he was wrong, he still wants to kill Sailor Moon, how did they redeem him in any capacity?



This is the correct answer. The entire BMC in the Manga were as bland as a sack of paper, Rubeus was the only one out of all of them that had some semblance of a personality. The 90’s anime and musicals is what made them the characters we all came to love.

I always like to say 90’s anime Demande is a character, whereas Manga/Crystal Demande is less of a character and more just the embodiment of the concept of Toxic Masculinity, he’s meant to represent your typical,right-wing, overly religious nutjob who believes in Darwin’s Theory and thinks a Socialist system is “evil.” (Which is basically what Crystal Tokyo is)
Again how is Demande anything about masculinity? He didn't show much problem with his female underlings, BMC got total of 6 female members, more than their male. Nor did he ever have much distaste of them.


He still went down like a common droid in Crystal, only difference being it was by Death Phantom’s hand rather than Moon & Mask’s.
He was being himself, to show his struggle rather than being evil for the sake of evil.
 

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Again how is Demande anything about masculinity? He didn't show much problem with his female underlings, BMC got total of 6 female members, more than their male. Nor did he ever have much distaste of them.
Toxic Masculinity doesn’t mean outright sexist, just that he portrayed toxically masculine behaviors such as his belief that love can be taken by force, that murder is okay and that war should rage on and peace is unnatural. These are all signs of a toxically masculine “Red-Pill” attitude that glorifies force and violence as “Alpha” behavior while deriding peacefulness and cooperation as weak and “Beta.”

Also the more traditional and religious you are, the more likely it is that you’ll have ingrained toxically masculine beliefs, and Manga/Crystal Demande is definitely a traditionalist & religious. (Though a total hypocrite since he commits murder which is a major sin in God’s eyes.)


He was being himself, to show his struggle rather than being evil for the sake of evil.
? What struggle was he going through in that moment when he “protects” Sailor Moon against Death Phantom?
 
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Toxic Masculinity doesn’t mean outright sexist, just that he portrayed toxically masculine behaviors such as his belief that love can be taken by force, that murder is okay and that war should rage on and peace is unnatural. These are all signs of a toxically masculine “Red-Pill” attitude that glorifies force and violence as “Alpha” behavior while deriding peacefulness and cooperation as weak and “Beta.”

Also the more traditional and religious you are, the more likely it is that you’ll have ingrained toxically masculine beliefs, and Manga/Crystal Demande is definitely a traditionalist & religious. (Though a total hypocrite since he commits murder which is a major sin in God’s eyes.)
I don't think it has anything to do with sexuality or gender at all. Sailor Moon was a good example, quite a few female characters tried to get their love by force. Demande didn't say NO females can't to Black Lady when he was answering it. Nor do I think this problem has anything to do with gender in real life.




? What struggle was he going through in that moment when he “protects” Sailor Moon against Death Phantom?
He recognized Sailor Moon's greatness and power, but refused to openly acknowledge it for his own pride.
 

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I don't think it has anything to do with sexuality or gender at all. Sailor Moon was a good example, quite a few female characters tried to get their love by force. Demande didn't say NO females can't to Black Lady when he was answering it. Nor do I think this problem has anything to do with gender in real life.
It’s not really about distaste between the genders, just more about the beliefs boys tend to be raised to value when growing up in a more traditional household.

It isn’t just about trying to take love by force, but that combined with his belief that peace is unnatural and war waging on and murder is the natural course of the world.

The female characters in the series who we see that try to take love by force (Beryl and Black Lady) don’t also inherently oppose peace and want to commit violence for the sake of violence.
 
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It’s not really about distaste between the genders, just more about the beliefs boys tend to be raised to value when growing up in a more traditional household.

It isn’t just about trying to take love by force, but that combined with his belief that peace is unnatural and war waging on and murder is the natural course of the world.

The female characters in the series who we see that try to take love by force (Beryl and Black Lady) don’t also inherently oppose peace and want to commit violence for the sake of violence.
He thought immortality is unnatural, war is natural course. And he was not the only one who thought it, BMC got 5 females before Black Lady joined, which means such idea applies to both genders.

Beryl was very ambitious and wanted to use Metallia to break peace and cause huge disaster for her own good. She obviously also thinks force>>>>peace.
 

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In Crystal, the way he saved them, I think they were trying to go with more of a "No one kills them but me, I'll end them myself after I end you!" kind of plot point, but that's just me when I saw that happen. At least then, that would make a whole lot more sense
 
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In Crystal, the way he saved them, I think they were trying to go with more of a "No one kills them but me, I'll end them myself after I end you!" kind of plot point, but that's just me when I saw that happen. At least then, that would make a whole lot more sense
More likely he didn't want to admit his true feeling, his last gaze and calling her "Queen" was to recognize that he respect her but only spit it out in the last moment.
 

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In Crystal, the way he saved them, I think they were trying to go with more of a "No one kills them but me, I'll end them myself after I end you!" kind of plot point, but that's just me when I saw that happen. At least then, that would make a whole lot more sense
i think the same ass you, he wanted to kill the queen himself and not letting wiseman do it like the kill is mine something like that
mh even in the 90s i didnt like him much, the redemption was weird too, he actually in the 90s try two times forcing usagi to be his even with manipulation or brainwash x.x
 

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He thought immortality is unnatural, war is natural course. And he was not the only one who thought it, BMC got 5 females before Black Lady joined, which means such idea applies to both genders.
Which is a toxically masculine belief. Even women can hold such toxic masculine views, there's no rule that says only men can be toxically masculine. Toxic Masculinity is a mentality that both genders can have.

Beryl was very ambitious and wanted to use Metallia to break peace and cause huge disaster for her own good. She obviously also thinks force>>>>peace.
Beryl never espoused that war was natural or wanted violence for it's own sake, from her point of view she was defending her homeland and Prince from an alien invader and had no other choice.


In Crystal, the way he saved them, I think they were trying to go with more of a "No one kills them but me, I'll end them myself after I end you!" kind of plot point, but that's just me when I saw that happen. At least then, that would make a whole lot more sense
Yeah I think this is what they were going for in Crystal too, too bad it fell flat since it took away Usagi's agency and thus undermined SM's feminist themes.


mh even in the 90s i didnt like him much, the redemption was weird too, he actually in the 90s try two times forcing usagi to be his even with manipulation or brainwash x.x
At least in the 90's anime he had genuine feelings for Usagi (or at least they became genuine). I admit his redemption was a bit rushed in the 90's anime but he's still a wayy better person than his Manga self could ever. The difference between 90's anime & Manga Demande is that 90's Demande was capable of compassion and had a good heart underneath it all, he was just naive like a child who didn't know right from wrong and wasn't very bright which is what allowed him to fall so easily under Wiseman's manipulations. Manga!Demande meanwhile is just a rotten person through and through, I think the reason why he got so triggered by NQS glaring at him like he was some kind of a monster was because deep down he knew he was one, but didn't want to change and instead wanted to prove to her that his monstrous mentality was the correct way to view the world.
 
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Which is a toxically masculine belief. Even women can hold such toxic masculine views, there's no rule that says only men can be toxically masculine. Toxic Masculinity is a mentality that both genders can have.
It applies to both genders, doesn't have anything to do with man, simple.

Beryl never espoused that war was natural or wanted violence for it's own sake, from her point of view she was defending her homeland and Prince from an alien invader and had no other choice.
How? She was swaying others to invade the Moon Kingdom and the kingdom was peaceful to them, by selling the Earth to Metallia, she was the real traitor here.
 
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How? She was swaying others to invade the Moon Kingdom and the kingdom was peaceful to them, by selling the Earth to Metallia, she was the real traitor here.
She herself didn't think that though, from her perspective she was a freedom fighter freeing the Earth by the chains of the Moon's tyranny. Her desire wage war against the Moon was mostly due to Metallia manipulating her but she did truly care about the Earth. (At least in the manga, PGSM & musicals; not so much the 90's anime)
 
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She herself didn't think that though, from her perspective she was a freedom fighter freeing the Earth by the chains of the Moon's tyranny. Her desire wage war against the Moon was mostly due to Metallia manipulating her but she did truly care about the Earth. (At least in the manga, PGSM & musicals; not so much the 90's anime)
No, she waited Metallia since ancient time, accepted her offer for power so she invaded the Moon for it.

Even in present time, she still wanted it and it was for her own, she even said that she wanted to rule by herself.





She made it very clear.



 
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