Are Sailor Senshi different beings than their civilian forms?

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(I’ll be mostly writing about manga)

I came across a fan theory saying that Sailor Senshi are different beings than their civilian forms; according to this theory, Silver Millenium’s senshi would take control over the bodies of Rei, Mako, Ami and the rest of the team when they are transformed and, eventually, control their lives so that they fight evil even if they don’t want to anymore. This would also mean that they met Usagi and each other just for the purpose of continuing the mission of Silver Millenium senshi and they were manipulated or mentally forced to become friends (which is a really sad perspective, but this was what the fan I talked to said).

While I admit this may be true for Saturn, I’m not really convinced by this.

First of all, there was no Sailor Moon in Silver Millenium. Usagi’s past self was Serenity, who didn’t have a mission she would have to continue in her next life (unlike the senshi: to protect and serve their princess). The only thing she may have wanted to archieve in her next life was being with Endymion, which eventually happened but Usagi fell in love with Mamoru before she regained Serenity’s memories (at least in manga), so there is no way Serenity manipulated her feelings.

Secondly, their relationships don’t change when they are transformed. Uranus and Neptune probably weren’t lovers in their past lives (nobody ever mentioned it + they lived on different planets and didn’t seem that happy to finally see each other in the Saturn flashback + their anime backstory speaks against this), so Uranus and Neptune of the 20th century would have no reason to act as lovers, even if Haruka and Michiru are a couple. But they do. Same for Saturn: Silver Millenium Outers didn’t take care of her, so she shouldn’t treat them as parents in 20th century if they were all different people than Setsuna, Haruka, Michiru and Hotaru, yet she does.

Lastly, everytime Sailor Moon saw a monster attacking someone she knew or met earlier as Usagi (mostly in the anime, but it happened in the first 2 manga chapters as well), she reacted with personal feelings. For example in ep 1/chapter 1, Usagi used her new Sailor Moon powers to save Naru, not just any Youma’s victim. Of course, Sailor Moon, as a defender of love and justice, would have helped her anyway, but she rushed to the jewelry shop not because someone cried for help, but because it was her very best friend. Sailor Moon would have no feelings towards Naru.
However, Sailor Moon was not fully awakened at that point, so I can’t really say this is valid for the whole manga.

Finally, would the theory mean that Sailor Senshi of the 30th century are the same beings who lived in Silver Millenium and posessed Usagi, Ami, Rei and the rest in 20th century, using new civilian "hosts"? So there is no Usagi, Ami and Rei in the 30th cetury anymore?

Essentially: does "reincarnated in 20th century" mean "their souls in new bodies" or "souls from the past temporarily visiting their 20th century civilian forms’ bodies when transformed and eventually taking them over"?

I’ve seen some discussions mentioning this issue, but these were mostly concerning Usagi only. Also, there is the "forced to fight and manipulated to be friends" part I don’t really agree with.

Do you agree with the theory? What do you think about all of this?
 
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GalX3

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Japanese people do talk about past lives quite a bit. If you could walk in someone else's shoes, you might make the same decisions as them. When the Senshi remember their past lives it makes them change their values and behaviours. And when it is time to transform they are drawing even more heavily on their past knowledge which makes them appear to be different people or controlled. It's kind of like a job, a police officer at work probably acts very differently than at home. This gives the impression that they are not their normal selves when they transform. I believe Usagi is slightly different from the other Senshi in that she is more intermittent in her ability to draw on past knowledge (and Kanji), but when she does she becomes very much like (and in some cases can transform into the form of) Princess Serenity and perform actions she is not typically able to perform. When Usagi does draw heavily on her past life knowledge she can make decisions that are different from decisions she would make as Usagi, at its most extreme her love of Mamo overpowers even the love for her friends and Earth in PGSM.
 

Tsundereshipper

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(I’ll be mostly writing about manga)

I came across a fan theory saying that Sailor Senshi are different beings than their civilian forms; according to this theory, Silver Millenium’s senshi would take control over the bodies of Rei, Mako, Ami and the rest of the team when they are transformed and, eventually, control their lives so that they fight evil even if they don’t want to anymore. This would also mean that they met Usagi and each other just for the purpose of continuing the mission of Silver Millenium senshi and they were manipulated or mentally forced to become friends (which is a really sad perspective, but this was what the fan I talked to said).

While I admit this may be true for Saturn, I’m not really convinced by this.

First of all, there was no Sailor Moon in Silver Millenium. Usagi’s past self was Serenity, who didn’t have a mission she would have to continue in her next life (unlike the senshi: to protect and serve their princess). The only thing she may have wanted to archieve in her next life was being with Endymion, which eventually happened but Usagi fell in love with Mamoru before she regained Serenity’s memories (at least in manga), so there is no way Serenity manipulated her feelings.

Secondly, their relationships don’t change when they are transformed. Uranus and Neptune probably weren’t lovers in their past lives (nobody ever mentioned it + they lived on different planets and didn’t seem that happy to finally see each other in the Saturn flashback + their anime backstory speaks against this), so Uranus and Neptune of the 20th century would have no reason to act as lovers, even if Haruka and Michiru are a couple. But they do. Same for Saturn: Silver Millenium Outers didn’t take care of her, so she shouldn’t treat them as parents in 20th century if they were all different people than Setsuna, Haruka, Michiru and Hotaru, yet she does.

Lastly, everytime Sailor Moon saw a monster attacking someone she knew or met earlier as Usagi (mostly in the anime, but it happened in the first 2 manga chapters as well), she reacted with personal feelings. For example in ep 1/chapter 1, Usagi used her new Sailor Moon powers to save Naru, not just any Youma’s victim. Of course, Sailor Moon, as a defender of love and justice, would have helped her anyway, but she rushed to the jewelry shop not because someone cried for help, but because it was her very best friend. Sailor Moon would have no feelings towards Naru.
However, Sailor Moon was not fully awakened at that point, so I can’t really say this is valid for the whole manga.

Finally, would the theory mean that Sailor Senshi of the 30th century are the same beings who lived in Silver Millenium and posessed Usagi, Ami, Rei and the rest in 20th century, using new civilian "hosts"? So there is no Usagi, Ami and Rei in the 30th cetury anymore?

Essentially: does "reincarnated in 20th century" mean "their souls in new bodies" or "souls from the past temporarily visiting their 20th century civilian forms’ bodies when transformed and eventually taking them over"?

I’ve seen some discussions mentioning this issue, but these were mostly concerning Usagi only. Also, there is the "forced to fight and manipulated to be friends" part I don’t really agree with.

Do you agree with the theory? What do you think about all of this?
Some Senshi like Saturn & Tuxedo Mask (at least in the 90's anime early on) definitely seem to have this disconnect going on, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule with everyone else's identities being pretty much in-sync. Still I definitely wish this concept was explored more even if they're the only two Senshi who this even can be explored with because it's such a fascinating one and it'd be interesting to learn why they seem to be the only two exceptions.
 
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Some Senshi like Saturn & Tuxedo Mask (at least in the 90's anime early on) definitely seem to have this disconnect going on, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule with everyone else's identities being pretty much in-sync. Still I definitely wish this concept was explored more even if they're the only two Senshi who this even can be explored with because it's such a fascinating one and it'd be interesting to learn why they seem to be the only two exceptions.
I would like to see this concept being explored further, there's so much potential.
 

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I always saw it as the guardians living during SilMil are Not the same as Usagi and the others.
The reincarnation allowed their souls to live on, but nothing except some basic traits (like Ami's smarts) is passed on.
Regarding their senshi selves, they are the civilian reincarnations, the transformations just allow them to get access to their powers.
But I really love the idea that it's just temporary and the souls will eventually take a hold of their hosts again to rebuild their empire, it's my headcanon too, but sadly not canon.
 
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Tsundereshipper

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I always saw it as the guardians living during SilMil are Not the same as Usagi and the others.
The reincarnation allowed their souls to live on, but nothing except some basic traits (like Ami's smarts) is passed on.
Regarding their senshi selves, they are the civilian reincarnations, the transformations just allow them to get access to their powers.
This brings up the interesting debate of nature vs nurture, both the manga and the 90’s anime seem to imply that the Senshi were in fact different people during the SilMil compared to their current selves, though this only seems to apply to certain characters between the versions.

In the 90’s anime, Princess Serenity is shown to be a completely different person from Usagi, with none of her talents crossing over, whereas in the manga they’re basically the same between lifetimes.

But in the manga it’s heavily hinted that Venus was different in personality from Minako, which was why Artemis was so shocked upon first finding Mina in the Sailor V manga. Venus in the past reads to me as much more serious and ruthless (You’d have to be if you’re essentially the leader of the Solar System’s military) while Minako in this life was much more carefree and relaxed before becoming Venus.

Likewise in PGSM though all their Senshi Forms seem to synch up, we have the one exception in Princess Sailor Moon, who I guess is technically separate from Sailor Moon, the Senshi and is more like a vengeful spirit but I feel it’s still worth mentioning for how unusual it is.

What’s interesting to note though is that it seems their special talents that are inherited from being Senshi do in-fact manifest within their civilian forms. Ami’s IQ which you already mentioned (and her ability to feel the water in the manga don’t forget) but there’s also Rei’s psychic powers, Mako’s super-strength as well as her ability to electrocute when sick, Minako’s extreme agileness and athletic ability, Haruka’s speed, Michiru’s psychic abilities, Hotaru and Mamoru’s healing powers, Mamoru himself being a literal Empath in the manga, etc. These are all abilities the Senshi were inherently born with that carried over to their civilian selves.

(Except Usagi in the 90’s anime for some reason, maybe because there was never a Sailor Moon in the past? There was never a Sailor Earth either and Mamoru still has access to his fine)


But I really love the idea that it's just temporary and the souls will eventually take a hold of their hosts again to rebuild their empire, it's my headcanon too, but sadly not canon.
This actually might be canon as we have no indication that any of the Senshi still have their civilian identities in Crystal Tokyo since they all go by their Senshi title and we only see them in their uniforms. Even Mamoru and Usagi are no longer Mamoru and Usagi but now just “Endymion and Serenity” and refer to each other as such.

Neo Queen Serenity in particular, outside of some quirks, seems to be a drastically different person from Usagi herself.
 
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They're the same. Princess Serenity is Usagi is Neoqueen Serenity. Like anyone else, she's lived through different experiences, but she's still her basic self.
 

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They're the same. Princess Serenity is Usagi is Neoqueen Serenity. Like anyone else, she's lived through different experiences, but she's still her basic self.
In the 90's anime Princess Serenity is presented as a completely different person from Usagi, NQS is pretty different too. I can't imagine Usagi ever being discriminatory and banishing a whole race of people just because they didn't agree to get cleansed (of what?!)

I think in the manga Princess > Usagi > NQS is more consistent and they're all more similar to each other.
 
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This brings up the interesting debate of nature vs nurture, both the manga and the 90’s anime seem to imply that the Senshi were in fact different people during the SilMil compared to their current selves, though this only seems to apply to certain characters between the versions.

In the 90’s anime, Princess Serenity is shown to be a completely different person from Usagi, with none of her talents crossing over, whereas in the manga they’re basically the same between lifetimes.

But in the manga it’s heavily hinted that Venus was different in personality from Minako, which was why Artemis was so shocked upon first finding Mina in the Sailor V manga. Venus in the past reads to me as much more serious and ruthless (You’d have to be if you’re essentially the leader of the Solar System’s military) while Minako in this life was much more carefree and relaxed before becoming Venus.

Likewise in PGSM though all their Senshi Forms seem to synch up, we have the one exception in Princess Sailor Moon, who I guess is technically separate from Sailor Moon, the Senshi and is more like a vengeful spirit but I feel it’s still worth mentioning for how unusual it is.

What’s interesting to note though is that it seems their special talents that are inherited from being Senshi do in-fact manifest within their civilian forms. Ami’s IQ which you already mentioned (and her ability to feel the water in the manga don’t forget) but there’s also Rei’s psychic powers, Mako’s super-strength as well as her ability to electrocute when sick, Minako’s extreme agileness and athletic ability, Haruka’s speed, Michiru’s psychic abilities, Hotaru and Mamoru’s healing powers, Mamoru himself being a literal Empath in the manga, etc. These are all abilities the Senshi were inherently born with that carried over to their civilian selves.

(Except Usagi in the 90’s anime for some reason, maybe because there was never a Sailor Moon in the past? There was never a Sailor Earth either and Mamoru still has access to his fine)




This actually might be canon as we have no indication that any of the Senshi still have their civilian identities in Crystal Tokyo since they all go by their Senshi title and we only see them in their uniforms. Even Mamoru and Usagi are no longer Mamoru and Usagi but now just “Endymion and Serenity” and refer to each other as such.

Neo Queen Serenity in particular, outside of some quirks, seems to be a drastically different person from Usagi herself.
I think Venus was still the same as well, just the times were different and she had a different life and much opportunities to show her carefree side. They cannot be exactly the same as their life was different, but their personalities are more or less the same - Mercury being smart, Rei being strict and fiery, Makoto strong and Venus, as we know from Danburit pretty boy-crazy.
 

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I think Venus was still the same as well, just the times were different and she had a different life and much opportunities to show her carefree side. They cannot be exactly the same as their life was different, but their personalities are more or less the same - Mercury being smart, Rei being strict and fiery, Makoto strong and Venus, as we know from Danburit pretty boy-crazy.
So there's a 3rd interacting factors of personality besides genetics & life experiences (i.e. all the memories accumulated since birth): the experiences/memories of one's past lives. lol
 

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See, weirdly, I initially thought the inverse was happening, in that when the girls turned into Sailors, that they were physically turning into their past-life versions, even if they maintained the same mentality of their current selves. Meaning that when they powered up, they were physically turning into aliens/moon people but their past lives were just that, memories that were sealed away, and even after re-awakening with their memories, their present lives remained dominant and absorbed their past selves.

That being said, I wish this were something the series would touch up on beyond things like Princess Sailor Moon, and even if it weren't canonically true, it would be a compelling direction for the series to go in, especially if the present selves were fighting against the shadow selves and if each of the girls came up with their own way of dealing with the dueling personas.
 

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See, weirdly, I initially thought the inverse was happening, in that when the girls turned into Sailors, that they were physically turning into their past-life versions, even if they maintained the same mentality of their current selves. Meaning that when they powered up, they were physically turning into aliens/moon people but their past lives were just that, memories that were sealed away, and even after re-awakening with their memories, their present lives remained dominant and absorbed their past selves.

That being said, I wish this were something the series would touch up on beyond things like Princess Sailor Moon, and even if it weren't canonically true, it would be a compelling direction for the series to go in, especially if the present selves were fighting against the shadow selves and if each of the girls came up with their own way of dealing with the dueling personas.
What if each girl + Mamoru had their own version of a "Princess Sailor Moon" that was haunting them and who they had to confront over the trauma that was the fallout of the Silver Millennium? That would be crazy psychologically compelling!
 

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What if each girl + Mamoru had their own version of a "Princess Sailor Moon" that was haunting them and who they had to confront over the trauma that was the fallout of the Silver Millennium? That would be crazy psychologically compelling!
Then their "Princess Sailor" forms & Mamoru's equivalent one could fight w/ each other in epic battles. :oh my:
 

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I've actually seen fanart of Princess Sailor x, I'd love to see Dark Sailor uniforms like Dark Mercury's in PGSM too.
Would like to see an epic Princess Sailor Moon Vs Dark Sailor Moon anime - not sure about the odds of it, tho lol (but since someone, i.e. myself, has come up w/ this idea, a parallel universe in which it does exist must've now been created, if it'll never appear in this universe :googly: ).
 
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I remember seeing something from a Pretty Cure season, I think it was Yes, Pretty Cure 5 and they had dark versions of the Cures they had to defeat and I thought that would have been interesting for a Sailor Moon season.

This also seemed to be the case in Sailor Moon another story with the Opposito Guardians. I remember wanting this to be a thing in the actual anime.

Yet, again in the Black Moon musical, the Senshi fight against "Dark versions" of themselves. Why the anime never rolled with any of these things is sadly a missed opportunity for something new in the Sailor Moon anime universe.