Bruce Wayne vs Usagi Redux

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Yoshimoon

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#21
Anime Sailor Moon: Would probably lose unless she can reach into his heart. She is very reluctant to killing humans in the anime.

Manga Sailor Moon: She would stand a chance since manga Sailor Moon has fought aggresively and killed. Her Moon Frisbee (tiara boomerang) could cut a limb off Batman if he doesn't counter it in time with a Batarang or even trap him like Jadeite. Eternal Sailor Moon and Batman could have a cool gliding in the air fight. Maybe it would be an even match actually.

Live Action Sailor Moon: She would win. Why because random stuff always happens to protect her. If Batman threw her off a height her Moonlight Stick would save her. If Batman managed to tie her up, her Moonlight Stick would cut the ropes, her Tiara Boomerang is fast and comes back more often then a Batarang would. If forced into a corner, she would just go Princess Sailor Moon on him and reflect and of his projectiles back at him.

Myu Sailor Moon: Woud win from Batman being confused after being forced to sing.
I am more interested in a V vs Batman fight that would be cool.
 

sarareku

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Jun 23, 2004
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#22
Wow..I can't believe people remember my old thread...

but I don't need to bring up anything new, I said it all before, and it's all that needs to be said....and I quote...

Batman would probably beat her. Here is how it would happen:

Batman would confront Princess Sailor Moon, they would fight hand to hand and sword to weapons first. Princess Sailor Moon would realize he outclasses her in physical terms, and would start using the silver crystal as well as her own powers. He would be badly hurt, but in the process of the fight, would collect a sample of hair or skin.

Batman would retreat and analyze the portion of hair of skin and find out PSM is Tsukino Usagi. He would track down Tsukino Usagi and watch over her, probably place a spycam and microphone too. He would find out her weakness, which is Chiba Mamoru. He would also find out her weak points, physical and mental.

In his next encounter with PSM, he would be able to not only beat her by pure force and tactical knowledge, but also be able to psyche her out, using her emotions against her. PSM would crumble as far as psychology and emotions go, become regular Sailor Moon or Usagi, and be killed by Batman.

It really is wonderful, how Batman ALWAYS beats EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD.

I repeat, she can NOT beat Batman.

Okay, let's say she has all four soldiers with her, she still can't win. Why?

Mars: Batman's suit are usually flame proof. Believe me, small time crooks and even big villains have tried using fire against him, sometimes even chemical fire, and they can't beat him. As for her spiritual sense, let us just say Batman knows a thing or two about the east, and martial arts, so her shinto techniques would be nothing for him.

Mercury: Batman's suit is water proof as well, and he's fought against Mr. Freeze, who if I recall, can manipulate all forms of water and ice, even sub zero temperatures, there's no way any of Mercury's attacks, even as Dark Mercury, can touch Batman. As for intellect, and if in the anime, her computer, Wayne has more technology than Ami could ever hope to have, and Batman knows more about networks and detective work than Ami ever could.

Jupiter: okay, let us confess, a well placed thunderbolt could probably do a little damage to Batman. But Batman is quick, he could dodge most of her thunder based attacks pretty quickly, and if he couldn't, he'd find someway to get ground or insulation, and not get killed. Her other virtue, her strength and martial arts skill, there is NO WAY that Makoto, even with amplified strength because of Sailor Jupiter, could take on Batman. Bruce has trained with the best sensei and masters across the world, knows SEVERAL styles, and has defeated several villains capable of VERY deadly martial arts techniques, she would end up dying.

Venus: okay, what can Venus really do against him? Sure, she's fought crime as Sailor V, but take on THE Batman? No way. Her Crescent Beam isn't fast enough to even hit Batman. Her hand to hand skills are virtually none. Her speed is alright, so are her jumps, but no where near Batman. And the weapons she does have, the Love Me Chain and the Crescent Boomerang, would end up turning it into a weapons fight. The Batarang, most of Batmans grappling hook and chain/rope weapons, and how Batman has perfected using any kind of weapon [from swords, to clubs, to projectiles, even fire arms] would mean Venus would be SEVERELY outclassed.

And I already stated my reasons for Moon. Moon would give him the toughest fight, especially Princess, but he'd still win. And as for Tuxedo Mask, the shittenou, and Beryl, I don't even have to mention it.

Just look at it this way

Batman has gone up against Bane, against Lobo..who even SUPERMAN has had a hard time with, against Mr. Freeze, against Poison Ivy, against Clayface, against Catwoman, against R'as Al Ghul...and these are pretty much the most powerful villains Batman has faced, and some of them are VERY super natural..

As for scaring Batman, that's impossible, the only ones who could ever dream of it are Joker and the Riddler, because perhaps they are not as powerful as the above, and have to rely on what Batman depends on, wits, smarts, guts, and a whole lot of mind games, plus a good dose of above average human strength, powerful gadgets, and the like. I think most Batman fans would agree that they are the most well matched in terms of who can take the fight. Add to it that Joker and Riddler are beyond crazy and have no sense of humanity, and ENJOY death and torture, and you realize that there is nothing Batman hasn't met, faced, and defeated.

So any claim that Sailor Moon, or anyone in the Sailor Moon World can take out Batman, is ridiculous.


And I know it seems backwards, how can I say the SM universe can defeat Goku and friends, but then say Batman can defeat them all alone?

That's because it is the way that it works with Batman. You could put him up with Goku, he'd win. You could put him up with several time lines of Power Rangers together, he'd win. You could put him up against LINA INVERSE for all that it matters, and he'd win.

Every single one of you have to remember, Batman is the ONLY one Superman would trust to take him out if he ever want bad, if he ever went evil, kryptonite or no kryptonite, because Superman is smart enough to know that he can take on anyone living, dead, or from another world and win, but if he ever took on Batman and Batman went all out, kryptonite or no kryptonite, he'd end up losing, and bad.

The thing is, the Sailor Team has never been good at onslaughts. The closest thing they have were the combined attacks, which weren't even stong enough to defeat most youma. And Sailor Planet Power, which at most, they can use once, and yes, can miss its target.

Most of Batman's villains are a few times stronger than the youma in Sailor Moon, and he's done away with them rather easily. Batman could easily jump or run or walk through Mars' fire wall, and like I said, could dodge Jupiter's thunder pretty well.

Add to the fact that he is a master of stealth. Tuxedo Mask is stealthy, he is mostly a normal human, and can confuse an enemy pretty easily, even though he gets caught eventually, or rushes in like a fool. Sailor Luna is very quick, but predictable, as Kunzite demonstrated.

Now take Batman, who is way more stealthy than Tuxedo Mask, as quick as Sailor Luna, but way smarter, and not predictable. Even with Ami's computer or Rei's spiritual sense, it'd be hard to target him.

And yes, Superman's had some hard times, because he's just really VERY strong and VERY fast [though NO where near as fast as Flash, he can make time go backwards, that's how fast he is] and is slightly above average when it comes to intelligence. Yet he has no where near as much experience as Batman, or know how as Batman, or skills as Batman, or inner strength as Batman, and that's why he really knows Batman can take him out even without Kryptonite.

Even if we bring the Outer Soldiers into this, you have to consider that the only ones who will actually fight are Uranus and Neptune, and maybe Pluto. And even that, Pluto's not going to mess with time just to take out Bats, she knows how sensitive time/space are, she'll mostly try to use her staff/martial arts skills and variations on Death Scream.

I'll admit, he'll have a hard time if you add the Outer Soldiers, but he can still pull it off. Why? There's a factor that I haven't added in here: stamina. Batman has WAY more endurance and stamina than any of the soldiers. You have to remember, their planet power only slightly amplifies their human traits: strength, speed, etc. Batman could wear them out until they're all easy targets, and he'll win in no time.

This is why Moon is the only one who can probably take on Batman. Please don't laugh, but the only one who probably has as much resolve as Batman, is Usagi. I can quote several episodes where Usagi deals with problems much bigger than herself, and comes out winning in fights she SHOULD have lost. And this can be done with both the anime and PGSM. Add to the fact that Moon is the quickest of the group, has the highest rate of evasion, and as far as power goes, she is the most powerful. Her scepter, tiara, and silver crystal attacks can all do one shots on youma, even higher up villains, and also have the power to heal/create. As far as her body, the kicks and body slams she used a few times in the anime did weaken enemies enough so that she or one of the other girls could take them out. And she's taken more of a beating than all the other girls, can last longer, and she does have more experience than the others, and did deal with Dark Kingdom alone for the first 8 episodes...

So really, it'd all come down to Moon VS Batman and in the end, Batman would still come out winning. Batman knows a lot, too much really, and I'm sure at some point he would have studied the silver crystal, or the moon kingdom, or mythology relating to the above. And I'm sure his information networks would tell him enough about Usagi and company, even about Sailor V, Dark Kingdom, etc. And as I said, he's quick enough to take advantage of all of Moon's weaknesses even though she does have more strengths than the other soldiers

Really, some people come on here and just confess that I'm right, there's no way ANY incarnation of version of Sailor Moon and friends can defeat Batman. Only ones who could pull it off are Moon, Saturn, and Pluto. Pluto wouldn't do it though, for the sake of the world. The Sailor Team WOULD NOT let Saturn destroy the world to defeat Batman. So all that is left is Moon, and she only has a slightly bigger chance of winning. All in all, Batman wins.

That's most all of what I can say. Let's not even get into say, SPIDERMAN, or HULK, or..god..Wonder Woman ..Silver Surfer..those would be big fights that Sailor Team would lose as well..the only ones they could possibly beat are Spiderman or Hulk, but they don't stand even A CHANCE with Wonder Woman or Silver Surfer
 
Jun 17, 2004
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I disagree, I don't think that the Shitennou would lose against Batman; in the anime their powers are far greater than in... Oh, wait, I forgot that they are chronically retarded in the anime version. With great power comes great stupidity (so Moon can beat them all). Looks like Batman would win again...
 
#24
UndeadPrincess said:
The_Otaku_Witch said:
Batman has a code against killing, Sailor Moon has a code against killing so neither would win.
Sailor Moon has a code against killing? Where?
She wouldn't kill Batman though...
I was talking about anime Sailor Moon, manga Sailor Moon is way more trigger (or perhaps I should say incantation?) happy. LASM Moon probably would win if she went PSM but I don't know if PSM would kill him or if Usagi would be able to reach out to her and convince her not to. He he was going up against Myu Moon then would Circe be involved :lol: ?
 

Shadow

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#25
The_Otaku_Witch said:
UndeadPrincess said:
The_Otaku_Witch said:
Batman has a code against killing, Sailor Moon has a code against killing so neither would win.
Sailor Moon has a code against killing? Where?
She wouldn't kill Batman though...
I was talking about anime Sailor Moon, manga Sailor Moon is way more trigger (or perhaps I should say incantation?) happy.
That triggered an interesting, if admittedly OT, observation. Anime Sailormoon doesn't really kill at all.

All of the villains in the anime are either:

- killed by their own plans gone wrong (Jadeite, Kunzite, Rubeus, Tellu, Byruit, Cyprine/Petirol),

- killed by other villains (Nephrite, Zoisite, Safir, Demand, Eudial, Mimete, Kaorinite, Zirconia, the Sailor Animamates),

- or are "healed" (Ail and An, the Ayakashi Sisters, Fiore, The Amazon Trio, The Amazon Quartet, Nehelenia, Galaxia).

The only exceptions seem to be Metallia, Death Phantom, Esmeraude (of whose identity Usagi wasn't aware), the Kisenian flower, Princess Snow Kaguya, Badiyanu, and the usual youma, cardians, droids, daimons, and lemures.

It seems anime Sailormoon doesn't kill anybody except the villains with no apparent redeeming qualities. Go figure.
 

Selenity

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Jun 21, 2005
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#26
Unless Batman was threatening the world this fight would never happen, but if it did, Batman would kick her butt for the simple reason that she would not fight back (she could never kick his butt anyway). At the point that she is completely cornered, she would unleash the ginzishou and cleanse Batman of all of hurt and painful feelings. With no more pain about his parents, he would cease to be Batman and become productive, law-abiding citizen of Crystal Tokyo and die at 1,000 years old. They both win.
 
#27
Selenity said:
Unless Batman was threatening the world this fight would never happen, but if it did, Batman would kick her butt for the simple reason that she would not fight back (she could never kick his butt anyway). At the point that she is completely cornered, she would unleash the ginzishou and cleanse Batman of all of hurt and painful feelings. With no more pain about his parents, he would cease to be Batman and become productive, law-abiding citizen of Crystal Tokyo and die at 1,000 years old. They both win.
Don't you mean Crystal Gotham :lol:
 
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#28
I agree that Batman can defeat Usagi easily, but I still think that Sailormoon could win, at least by luck.

She could kill/beat him with the Silver Crystal. It IS possible that he could get killed by it before he has the chance to study it. How would he study it anyways? It wouldn't be as easy as studying Usagi by getting hair and studying DNA or whatever.

Besides, Batman is human and relies only on what can be done in real life. I'm sure enough magic tricks could tire or weaken his body.

I also think that, at least by chance, Ami could freeze him. Once he is, he has to rely on someone else.
Batman has fallen plenty of times. He is not perfect, and like Robin being freezed by Mr. Freeze in "Batman and Robin", I'm sure that Batman could get frozen in some cirumstances.
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Oh man!!! You guys just 'hit' me!!! I just love Batman!!! And I love Sailormoon!!! Their worlds mixed together would be a dream full of ecstasy and excitement and love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm inspired!!! I wanna draw Eternal Sailormoon and Batman side by side as allies!!!!!!!!
 

moonie1995

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Feb 26, 2005
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#30
I think that Batman would win, because he is a more resourceful fighter who doesn't quit. At the very least, if Sailor Moon does wins, Batman gives her a tough fight to the end. If the fight takes place in Gotham, Batman wins hands down, but if the fight takes place in Tokyo, Sailor Moon could hold her own and emerge victorious using her magic (got to take into account home field advantage).
 
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I also think this battle would depend on who's universe it were in as well. Sailor Moon wouldn't really fit into Batman's dark world all that well.

However, let's not forget, the Joker has been able to KO Batman a few times... That's kind of sad.
 

dodgerfan

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#33
I agree with what a number of others have posted here: Batman would win. Sailor Moon and the senshi wouldn't sense anything evil about Batman (he is a HERO, after all) and not attack him for openers!
Batman would probably use all his experience and gadgetry to foil and elude Sailor Moon and the senshi, but I sort of doubt he'd really attempt to harm them. After all, they wouldn't give off much in the way of "evil vibes" either! 8)
 

sarareku

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Jun 23, 2004
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#35
Jadeyes Longhorn said:
I also think this battle would depend on who's universe it were in as well. Sailor Moon wouldn't really fit into Batman's dark world all that well.

However, let's not forget, the Joker has been able to KO Batman a few times... That's kind of sad.
But you see, THAT'S what I meant. What make the Joker such a threat to Batman is that he plays on the same level as Bats does. Half of Batman's strength is pretty much the entire mind game that he sets up around you. The rest is his intelligence, his wits, his guts, his ability to think of solutions and deduce conclusions on the fly, and his mastery of many different form of combat arts and weapons, and a wealth of knowledge in all fields. Batman also has a tough mind, a very strong "poker face", and complete control of his persona..

What lets Joker defeat Batman? Not only does Joker play the same way Batman does, but Joker knows how to SCARE Batman, name me someone who can do that? He's fought people bigger than Joker, stronger than Joker, he's gone up against Superman for crying out loud..but here's the thing

How do you put fear in the Batman?

I don't know, Sailor Moon sure as hell doesn't know, none ot his other villains or rivals know..

Joker does, plain and simple. Batman's stared Bane, Lobo, and Superman down the eye without even shaking a little. Joker has down right terrified every little inch of Batman. Putting fear into someone who has seen pretty much everything, that's what makes Joker such a great villain and what puts any Batman/Joker fight inta "greatest battles" list easily.
 

Jadeite2

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#37
Shadow said:
That triggered an interesting, if admittedly OT, observation. Anime Sailormoon doesn't really kill at all.

It seems anime Sailormoon doesn't kill anybody except the villains with no apparent redeeming qualities. Go figure.
Also note the extent to which the weapon matches what type of enemy she faces. If the enemies are pure youma/lemures/what have you, it's a destruction weapon. If the enemies are former humans like the rainbow crystal people or phages, it's a healing weapon.
 

TuxedoStarr

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#38
I think Batman dwells a lot on bringing justice, so he would probably go after Moon for letting a criminal go because she believes in the good inside. Which there's nothing wrong with, but she would probably just refuse to fight him. And then that unleashes all the Sailor Crystals inside Batman that he's stolen from across the galaxy...

oh. wait.

Anyway, just wanted to remark on how Batman probably wouldn't be able to use the strategy of using Usagi's weaknesses against her if it was the manga universe. Because Galaxia already did it (yes, I did just reread the manga last night and got to thinking on it). Galaxia took away everything important to Usagi--her friends, her lover, her future daughter--and Usagi never quit. She ended up saving the whole dang galaxy because she was able to lose and gain everything. So if Batman held a batknife or whatever the bleep to Mamoru's throat and said "Surrender" I'm guessing Usagi would get righteously pissed and give Batman a run for his money. And even if Mamoru got killed, she'd probably zip over to Saggitarius Zero Star and yank his crystal out of the cauldron again.

Manga Sailormoon would probably win simply because she's faced a lot more than a guy wearing a black cape with an IQ of 300 and technogadgetry. And did we forget Mercury? Batman's got brains on his side, but so does Ami-chan. And Jupiter or Uranus can probably bring him down in physical fighting, too.

And keep in mind that, when it comes down to it, Batman is human. The girls got superpowers, and were battling since they were teens. Superman didn't really start his heroism till he was a teen. Wonder Woman, I know, can give the Bat a run for his money in a physical challenge, and she's probably of a similar status to the girls as far as heightened physical powers go.