Difference of character popularity upon male/female fans?

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And the fact that she's boring and doesn't act as fierce to take charge as her 90's version.
Crystal Rei is the only boring version of Rei imo, Actual Manga Rei is fine, just a different flavor. Read Casablanca Memories, she's actually quite a deep character. The short stories & Dream Arc also do alot for her.
 
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Crystal Rei is the only boring version of Rei imo, Actual Manga Rei is fine, just a different flavor. Read Casablanca Memories, she's actually quite a deep character. The short stories & Dream Arc also do alot for her.
Manga Inner four got way too little personality and very little friendship was shown. Other than their own short story they lack of enough personality or bond compare to the anime.

PGSM did a fine job on expanding manga Rei though.
 
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Manga Inner four got way too little personality and very little friendship was shown. Other than their own short story they lack of enough personality or bond compare to the anime.

PGSM did a fine job on expanding manga Rei though.
They had personality, it was just more scarce (because the manga was moving at a breakneck pace) and subtle rather than the 90's anime "loud in your face" you're supposed to pay more attention to their expressions & syntax to discern their personalities.

Friendship, yeah it wasn't as group oriented like the 90's anime and they didn't have a chance to play off each other's quirks but some specific dynamics like Reinako's friendship definitely shines better in the manga while they're barely a thing in the 90's anime (MakoAmi by contrast shines in the 90's and barely has any interaction in the manga)
 
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They had personality, it was just more scarce (because the manga was moving at a breakneck pace) and subtle rather than the 90's anime "loud in your face" you're supposed to pay more attention to their expressions & syntax to discern their personalities.

Friendship, yeah it wasn't as group oriented like the 90's anime and they didn't have a chance to play off each other's quirks but some specific dynamics like Reinako's friendship definitely shines better in the manga while they're barely a thing in the 90's anime (MakoAmi by contrast shines in the 90's and barely has any interaction in the manga)
90s anime has a lot of plot and buildup on their characters. Compare to the anime, the manga Inners has very little personality maybe other than Minako, it's because that she got more favored and Sailor V.

R was a good example, 3 of the Inner simply got captured and missed for more than half of the arc. The last arc also had many of the senshi die in the beginning.

Rei doesn't need special friendship with Minako because she had a lot a lot of bond with Usagi already.
 
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90s anime has a lot of plot and buildup on their characters. Compare to the anime, the manga Inners has very little personality maybe other than Minako, it's because that she got more favored and Sailor V.

R was a good example, 3 of the Inner simply got captured and missed for more than half of the arc. The last arc also had many of the senshi die in the beginning.
I'll quote the Black Moon arc right back at you, read Makoto's capture chapter, notice how she interacts with Asanuma and describes her past. That's "little characterization" to you?

Rei doesn't need special friendship with Minako because she had a lot a lot of bond with Usagi already.
That was a 90's anime invention, and I thought friendship between the Inners was important to you? Shouldn't Rei's unique dynamic with Minako in the manga ring as a good thing for you if you prioritize the friendship between the girls so highly? Who says they need to revolve around Usagi? That's not healthy and they shouldn't, and it's ironically completely reducing their dynamic to nothing but Slavish Guardians & their Princess that detractors of the manga so often like to cite as a flaw.
 
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I'll quote the Black Moon arc right back at you, read Makoto's capture chapter, notice how she interacts with Asanuma and describes her past. That's "little characterization" to you?
And the anime has given her 100 times more focus and buildup, of course it's very little.

That was a 90's anime invention, and I thought friendship between the Inners was important to you? Shouldn't Rei's unique dynamic with Minako in the manga ring as a good thing for you if you prioritize the friendship between the girls so highly? Who says they need to revolve around Usagi? That's not healthy and they shouldn't, and it's ironically completely reducing their dynamic to nothing but Slavish Guardians & their Princess that detractors of the manga so often like to cite as a flaw.
Yes but it's nowhere close compare to their friendship in the anime at all.

The anime has a much better build up and focus on the side characters and their relationship. The manga was nowhere close to compare with it, simple as that.
 
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I'm weird. I'm a cisgendered female. I love Ami, Makoto, Chibi-Usa and Hotaru. I like Setsuna, I'm neutral about Usagi and Haruka. I have a slight aversion to Minako. I don't like Michiru (sorry, OP) and I can't stand Rei.

I guess I'm not like other girls.
lol Looks like we’ve got opposite tastes :P
I’m also a cisgendered girl and my faves are Minako, (Mostly Manga & PGSM) Rei, (all versions besides Crystal) and all the Outers.

Chibi-Usa I love in the Manga /Crystal but am more neutral to her 90’s anime persona.

Usagi, Ami and Mako I all like but they aren’t my faves like the aforementioned above Senshi, so I’m more neutral on them overall. Ami & Mako in particular just seem more bland to me and don’t have a lot going on like Venus and Mars (Though PGSM does do alot for them)

Mamoru I generally like in the Manga and PGSM but have mixed feelings on his 90’s anime version.

Speaking of, another thing that’s interesting to note is Mamoru seems to be equally unpopular with both the male and female audience, most likely cause he’s a subversion on the standard masculine ideal. (I have no idea how he hits with the target audience in Japan though, I can only speak from what I’ve seen on the Western side of things)
 
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I'm weird. I'm a cisgendered female. I love Ami, Makoto, Chibi-Usa and Hotaru. I like Setsuna, I'm neutral about Usagi and Haruka. I have a slight aversion to Minako. I don't like Michiru (sorry, OP) and I can't stand Rei.

I guess I'm not like other girls.
ooh I’m actually curious what exactly do you not like about Minako?

Nothing wrong with that, I just don’t hear it too often. My only big issue with her is she went from being the most competent Senshi whose only quirk was screwing up proverbs to being a full blown moron and flake by S
 

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I'm weird. I'm a cisgendered female. I love Ami, Makoto, Chibi-Usa and Hotaru. I like Setsuna, I'm neutral about Usagi and Haruka. I have a slight aversion to Minako. I don't like Michiru (sorry, OP) and I can't stand Rei.

I guess I'm not like other girls.
well, "weird". Naoko has included enough archetypes so that everyone can have their own personal darling.
 

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ooh I’m actually curious what exactly do you not like about Minako?

Nothing wrong with that, I just don’t hear it too often. My only big issue with her is she went from being the most competent Senshi whose only quirk was screwing up proverbs to being a full blown moron and flake by S
I don't like her because she's superfluous.

In the anime, she started out as relatively serious, boring experienced character, then took Usagi's role as the Ditz. Aside from being a more athletic and less crybaby version of Usagi, what is her purpose for being there other than being a second blonde? Instead of integrating her into the main cast, I think it would have been better to have a different character as Sailor Venus.

As for Mamoru, I largely hate him, in at least his civilian self. That is a gown man who harasses as middle schooler and this is treated as bickering that leads to love.
 

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it depends from what version is the top, because i think some character become more popular because of the manga/crystal series
well XD is weird i liked chibi usa, and than usagi, makoto, minako, ami, than rei from outers i like it them but only haruka michiru and hotaru, i think we didnt have much about setsuna, i dosent like xD yuri or yaoi series, but i like the michiruxharuka relationship
in the manga well for me most of them they are more lovable, and they show us more about them, so i like all of them xD
 
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ooh I’m actually curious what exactly do you not like about Minako?

Nothing wrong with that, I just don’t hear it too often. My only big issue with her is she went from being the most competent Senshi whose only quirk was screwing up proverbs to being a full blown moron and flake by S
I don't like her because she's superfluous.

In the anime, she started out as relatively serious, boring experienced character, then took Usagi's role as the Ditz. Aside from being a more athletic and less crybaby version of Usagi, what is her purpose for being there other than being a second blonde? Instead of integrating her into the main cast, I think it would have been better to have a different character as Sailor Venus.
Who you're both describing is 90's anime Minako, (who granted wasn't a great character because Toei had no idea what to do with her and were aiming for Rei to be the leader so they just decided to make her into another Usagi) but what about Manga!Minako? Or for that matter, PGSM Minako?

Also I disgree, I feel 90's Minako was way worse in the first 2 seasons and it's only by S that she finally began to grow a personality as more Sailor V chapters were finally releasing and Toei was able to see what Naoko's original concept of her character was. One could be more competant and serious without being bland, both Manga and PGSM Minako are examples of this done right. During Classic and R it wasn't so much that she was more "competent" just that she was permanently stuck in the background and didn't have much of a presence.
 

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Another male perspective:
A friend of mine during my school days was also a fan of Ami. He was an intelligent person as well, so probably that is why he preferred her.

For me, regarding the original anime, it was definitely NOT Usagi. The anime centered too much around her, undeservedly so, which did annoy me fast. Ami I found to be boring. I liked Minako, Makoto and Rei (in that order) the most engaging, depending on my daily mood :D

PGSM did help me to respect Usagi finally. And Minako became my favourite, as she developed character there and made sense :-P

I do find all versions of Makoto very loveable as well. She is a strong woman, with a sweet and comforting personality. Like a mixture of Haruka and Michiru. No idea why she does not get more love. Maybe because of her size?
 
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For me, regarding the original anime, it was definitely NOT Usagi. The anime centered too much around her, undeservedly so, which did annoy me fast. L
I for one was always confused why a show called Sailor Moon would heavily focus on the character named Sailor Moon.

Like, what sense did that make?
 
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speaking for my self a straight male who's seen SM since the dic dub in 1995 at starting from age 9 to now
Usagi herself is my number 1 but I also really like Minako and Mako and Setsuna and Hotaru the most
as for Rei her PGSM self is my fave even out ranks PGSM Usagi
 

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I for one was always confused why a show called Sailor Moon would heavily focus on the character named Sailor Moon.

Like, what sense did that make?
Seems I did not get my point across. That she was the central figure, I don‘t have a problem with. But for example that does not excuse the lack of attention and storylines for any other senshi or character.
But that is just my opinion. It is just not they way of storytelling I am looking.
 
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Seems I did not get my point across. That she was the central figure, I don‘t have a problem with. But for example that does not excuse the lack of attention and storylines for any other senshi or character.
But that is just my opinion. It is just not they way of storytelling I am looking.
I do agree despite being a big Usagi fan I always felt that she got too much focus as did Chibiusa and the inners fell into the wayside each time a new season came along and added more characters the new ones get the spotlight while some others got more attention for example Ami & Rei when they get an upgrade they get a full episode for them individually but Mako & Minako have to share the same episode what gives. Stars was the worst everything was Seiya and the starlights outers were present but hardly ever showed up, inners had some but not enough.
As much as I have a distain for chiba seiya is just a waste of ink I much rather have seen the outers and inners in more action and not just in the finale episodes

Super S had a similar issue with the Chibiusa focus.

S did it the best cause while the outers got spotlight inners got their fair share and chibiusa was at her best that season
 

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speaking for my self a straight male who's seen SM since the dic dub in 1995 at starting from age 9 to now
Not even bi-curious? Participating for years every day in animu forums and remaining 100% straight is like visiting Chick-fil-A every day and remaining 100% vegan. Technically speaking it's possible, but chances of that actually happening in real life are next to none. :O
 

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Another male perspective:
A friend of mine during my school days was also a fan of Ami. He was an intelligent person as well, so probably that is why he preferred her.

For me, regarding the original anime, it was definitely NOT Usagi. The anime centered too much around her, undeservedly so, which did annoy me fast. Ami I found to be boring. I liked Minako, Makoto and Rei (in that order) the most engaging, depending on my daily mood :D

PGSM did help me to respect Usagi finally. And Minako became my favourite, as she developed character there and made sense :-P

I do find all versions of Makoto very loveable as well. She is a strong woman, with a sweet and comforting personality. Like a mixture of Haruka and Michiru. No idea why she does not get more love. Maybe because of her size?
I like Makoto very much as well. She looks to cool as a fighter and have some very cute traits.
 
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