Disney's attempt to adapt Sailor Moon

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PGSM was already a good show other than bad special effects/costume. Most of the cast were quite good as well.

But as a movie, I don't think it have the time to build characters well.
 
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I would have love if things worked out. I dont know if anyone was into gaming or old enough to remember but they had a Buffy The Vampire Slayer game on the original XBOX which was fantastic to me. I wish they had a Sailor Moon game like this where you go through different areas of Tokoyo.

Even has a weapon that could work like a tiara too.

 
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Well I will say this one thing I will absolutely disagree with you on Slowpokeking is that I absolutely think that the Disney version was superior to the Toei anime version you posted and the original tale for several reasons.

The characters are more fleshed out and likable. I honestly saw both Marina and Fjord in contempt. Marina for being so devoted to a guy that essentially treated her like a pet, gassing her up to make it seem like he would marry her and then dumped her for the chick he thought saved him.
Because. that. is. what. the. fairy. tale. told. us.

Toei simply followed the fairy tale. And it's totally reasonable that the prince would treat some random cute girls like that. He is the superior authority.

Also I don't see the prince being any wrong, he made clear that he loves the girl who saved him. It's not just about who really saved him, but his love was settled.


Then Marina I don't have much pity for for sacrificing herself for again a dude that treated her so bad.
How? The prince was very nice to her, other than didn't love her.

Should a person die for not loving someone? NO.
Should a person live with the price of another innocent good person's life? NO.

AKA Beryl being the best example.

Not to say Disney turned the human princess into a villain, a disguise of the Ursula.


In fact the Toei version even did numerous changes. For one giving the Little Mermaid a name Marina, giving her a aquatic friend Fritz and even excising the main reason for Marina wanting to become human IE to get an immortal soul. The love for the Princes was really ancillary.
Because it's what the fairy tale told us, Fritz does care about Marina and acted as her best friend.


Also one of my biggest complaints about the Sea Witch character is that she has no point. She is little more then a Deus Ex Machina. She causes chaos and destruction just for the sake of it with no real goal.
The Sea Witch acted exactly like she was in the tale, she was meant to show if you want to go against natural cycle, there is price to pay.

And no, she caused no chaos nor destruction, she simply fulfilled Marina's wish and warned her about all the consequences, even offered a way out by giving her the dagger.

Most of the complaints you gave are simply the plot of the original fairy tale. If you dislike it so much, why do you make the adaptation instead of making something of your own?
 
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Because. that. is. what. the. fairy. tale. told. us.

Toei simply followed the fairy tale. And it's totally reasonable that the prince would treat some random cute girls like that. He is the superior authority.

Also I don't see the prince being any wrong, he made clear that he loves the girl who saved him. It's not just about who really saved him, but his love was settled.



How? The prince was very nice to her, other than didn't love her.

Should a person die for not loving someone? NO.
Should a person live with the price of another innocent good person's life? NO.

AKA Beryl being the best example.

Not to say Disney turned the human princess into a villain, a disguise of the Ursula.



Because it's what the fairy tale told us, Fritz does care about Marina and acted as her best friend.



The Sea Witch acted exactly like she was in the tale, she was meant to show if you want to go against natural cycle, there is price to pay.

And no, she caused no chaos nor destruction, she simply fulfilled Marina's wish and warned her about all the consequences, even offered a way out by giving her the dagger.

Most of the complaints you gave are simply the plot of the original fairy tale. If you dislike it so much, why do you make the adaptation instead of making something of your own?
I never said that I disliked the OG fairy tale. I like it for what it is however I feel the Disney version was superior to it. Likewise I felt that the X-Men animated series was far superior to the comics and is practically Shakespeare in comparison t the garbage we have now. Likewise I also felt that the original 90s anime was on the most part superior to the manga. You are allowed to do adaptations of previously existing stories instead of just "making it exactly as the original story was." Once more even the Toei version too liberties and added things not found in the original.

The Prince couldn't have loved the girl who saved his life. He never met her. Meanwhile he had Marina with him this whole time. They spent an immense amount of time together. He even said he would like to marry her since he didn't think he would ever met the girl who he thought saved his life gassing up Marina's hopes. Only for Jemmy to work with Fjord's parents to bring Princess Cecilia the girl he thought that saved his life but didn't Fjord was a colossal jerk.

Likewise Beryl is a foolish example. Atleast Beryl spent alot of time with Endymion. She atleast new him and loved him. He didn't return her feelings but he also from what we knew never led Beryl on. This Prince claims to love a girl whom he never met that he assumed saved his life and that he knows nothing about all the while spending time with Marina and gassing up her hopes to marry him. To be honest I don't even think that Beryl would have loved Endymion if he treated her like that. She may not have been the most emotionally secure person but she atleast has some standards.

Yes they did. They turned the human Princess into Ursula to make Ursula be the one to brainwash Eric into marrying her. Because Eric isn't a douchebag like Fjord who would love a person he never even met and then when he has someone showing his love for him to just cast her aside for someone he barely knew. Which with regards to the Toei version they also made another adaptation change. With the character of Jemmy. Jemmy despises Marina for well reasons. Jemmy pretty much serves the role on land that Ursula as Vanessa served on the movie but atleast Ursula had motivations. Hell I could make the argument that in many ways Ursula is a composite character of Jemmy and the Sea Witch of the Toei version even though Jemmy didn't exist in the original story and there wasn't a clear villain. I would argue that the unseen Christian god is more of the main villain in the original story almost like the Hunter in the Bambi movie. In fact a rumor was that Jemmy was a disguise of the Sea Witch of the Toei version as in the English dub they were both voiced by the same actress. Obviously it isn't true it is about like that rumor in the DiC English dub that Wiseman was secretly Jadeite because they had the same voice actor in that dub.or that the White Witch and the Lady of the Green Kirtle were both Jadis in the BBC Chronicles of Narnia series even though that dosen't seem to hold water.

Yes Fritz does care about Marina but Fritz was not in the original fairy tale. Toei made him up for the story and you could argue that as Jemmy and the Sea Witch in the Toei version along with the human Princess could have been a three person composite character and inspiration for Ursula/Vanessa as the Sea Witch that Fritz was the inspiration for Flounder. Hell you could argue all though this might be stretching it that Sebastian was based somewhat on The Grandmother in the original story and the Toei version as Ariel's main caretaker while her father is busy. Likewise as I said before the stuff about Marina wanting to get an immortal soul was excised from the Toei version like the Daughters of Air stuff. None of that was used.

Next that isn't true in the Toei version. You could argue that to be true maybe in the OG story but not in the Toei version. The Sea Witch was shown to be malicious. Regularly causing storms including the one that capsized the Prince's boat like Ursula did in the Disney version and even seeming like she was trying to lure Marina to her to make this deal just for well the evils I guess. That Sea Witch was just evil for the sake of evil where as with Ursula atleast she had goals. It also explained what the Polyps were in the Disney version with them being the people who failed to meet Ursula's bargain and I could argue if I wished that the Polyps and the Daughters of Air were composite characters in the Disney version.

Again I do like the Fairy Tale and the Toei version. I think the Disney version is superior. You know people are allowed to do knew and unique adaptations and takes on series right?
 
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I never said that I disliked the OG fairy tale. I like it for what it is however I feel the Disney version was superior to it. Likewise I felt that the X-Men animated series was far superior to the comics and is practically Shakespeare in comparison t the garbage we have now. Likewise I also felt that the original 90s anime was on the most part superior to the manga. You are allowed to do adaptations of previously existing stories instead of just "making it exactly as the original story was." Once more even the Toei version too liberties and added things not found in the original.
Not really. Little Mermaid's original tale was good enough and Disney's take turned it into some generic good vs evil. Such story would not last for so long and become so outstand.

The Prince couldn't have loved the girl who saved his life. He never met her.
Sorry why can't he?

He was in life danger, his worst time, the beautiful girl showed up to save him. It is very common in both fictional works and real life. Love is not always about how much time you spent with ppl, but did he appear in the right time. Even if he knew the truth later, he might not change that because the feeling was already there.

Sailor Moon was a good example for her crush on Tuxedo Mask. Naru on Nephrite as well.

List all the Sailor Senshi, before building any relationship, if they were saved by someone very handsome in their most difficult time, most of them would have fell in love with the person.

Meanwhile he had Marina with him this whole time. They spent an immense amount of time together. He even said he would like to marry her since he didn't think he would ever met the girl who he thought saved his life gassing up Marina's hopes.
Yes it doesn't mean he would love her. She didn't appear in the right time, that's not how love works.


Only for Jemmy to work with Fjord's parents to bring Princess Cecilia the girl he thought that saved his life but didn't Fjord was a colossal jerk.
How? To be fair the human princess did save him, just not as much as Marina did. The prince DIDN'T know all along, how is he a jerk? He also made everything very clear in the beginning, how is he a jerk?

Likewise Beryl is a foolish example. Atleast Beryl spent alot of time with Endymion. She atleast new him and loved him. He didn't return her feelings but he also from what we knew never led Beryl on.
Proof? Beryl said she was staring at him, but it's not likely she really knew or even spent time with him at all.

This Prince claims to love a girl whom he never met that he assumed saved his life and that he knows nothing about all the while spending time with Marina and gassing up her hopes to marry him. To be honest I don't even think that Beryl would have loved Endymion if he treated her like that. She may not have been the most emotionally secure person but she atleast has some standards.
What's wrong with that? He met her in the right time to ignite the fire of love. She saved him in the most difficult time, how is that love not reasonable?

And he did keep his promise, made clear about it. If the princess didn't show up he would indeed marry her.

Yes they did. They turned the human Princess into Ursula to make Ursula be the one to brainwash Eric into marrying her. Because Eric isn't a douchebag like Fjord who would love a person he never even met and then when he has someone showing his love for him to just cast her aside for someone he barely knew. Which with regards to the Toei version they also made another adaptation change. With the character of Jemmy. Jemmy despises Marina for well reasons. Jemmy pretty much serves the role on land that Ursula as Vanessa served on the movie but atleast Ursula had motivations. Hell I could make the argument that in many ways Ursula is a composite character of Jemmy and the Sea Witch of the Toei version even though Jemmy didn't exist in the original story and there wasn't a clear villain. I would argue that the unseen Christian god is more of the main villain in the original story almost like the Hunter in the Bambi movie. In fact a rumor was that Jemmy was a disguise of the Sea Witch of the Toei version as in the English dub they were both voiced by the same actress. Obviously it isn't true it is about like that rumor in the DiC English dub that Wiseman was secretly Jadeite because they had the same voice actor in that dub.or that the White Witch and the Lady of the Green Kirtle were both Jadis in the BBC Chronicles of Narnia series even though that dosen't seem to hold water.
Again how is it wrong to love someone who saved your life in your most difficult time?

Should we blame Usagi/Rei for love Tuxedo Mask simply because he saved them? Should we blame Naru to love Nephrite? Should we blame Makoto to have crush on ppl?

None of it was necessary, the plot has nothing to do with such villain doing because it's all about the mermaid's tragedy.

Yes Fritz does care about Marina but Fritz was not in the original fairy tale. Toei made him up for the story and you could argue that as Jemmy and the Sea Witch in the Toei version along with the human Princess could have been a three person composite character and inspiration for Ursula/Vanessa as the Sea Witch that Fritz was the inspiration for Flounder. Hell you could argue all though this might be stretching it that Sebastian was based somewhat on The Grandmother in the original story and the Toei version as Ariel's main caretaker while her father is busy. Likewise as I said before the stuff about Marina wanting to get an immortal soul was excised from the Toei version like the Daughters of Air stuff. None of that was used.
Yes but Fritz didn't change the original plot direction, he didn't demonize anyone who wasn't evil in the plot nor did he make a happy ending.

Next that isn't true in the Toei version. You could argue that to be true maybe in the OG story but not in the Toei version. The Sea Witch was shown to be malicious. Regularly causing storms including the one that capsized the Prince's boat like Ursula did in the Disney version and even seeming like she was trying to lure Marina to her to make this deal just for well the evils I guess. That Sea Witch was just evil for the sake of evil where as with Ursula atleast she had goals. It also explained what the Polyps were in the Disney version with them being the people who failed to meet Ursula's bargain and I could argue if I wished that the Polyps and the Daughters of Air were composite characters in the Disney version.

Again I do like the Fairy Tale and the Toei version. I think the Disney version is superior. You know people are allowed to do knew and unique adaptations and takes on series right?
Not really, she was causing storms but nothing indicated she tried to lure anyone. It's more like a violent natural cycle she represents. Like the Fairy Tale, she made everything clear and didn't let Marina sign contract to benefit herself, and offered her the way out later. She still played pretty much the same role as she was in the fairy tale.
 
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Then WHY not create more black princess rather than doing the race swap?
Because today, it’s much more profitable for Disney to rehash old stuff than to create any new fairy tales. It’s exhausting.
Cleopatra is the descendant of Greeks, of course she is white, of course she should be played by white actors.
True, Cleopatra is Greek, but grouping her as the same race as, say, Northwest Europeans is due to the modern concept of the “white race.” Racial boundaries are not scientific — they were largely created by what we now consider white people in order for them to retain their power.
 
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True, Cleopatra is Greek, but grouping her as the same race as, say, Northwest Europeans is due to the modern concept of the “white race.” Racial boundaries are not scientific — they were largely created by what we now consider white people in order for them to retain their power.
She is Caucasian, even ancient Egyptians were not considered to be pure black.

If we go with the details, then black ppl have a lot of diversity among them, I don't think it's wise to go on with it. Other examples like Othello is not actually the black we think today, but a Moor.
 

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Who are you talking about not lasting Slowpokeking? The Disney version is the most well known and well regarded version. More people know about The Little Marmaid as Ariel then the original tale. The original tale was a good vs. evil tale but it was also one that shows that love will find a way if you want it too. The OG tale was mainly written due to Hans Christian Andersen's unrequited love for this guy and his Christian guilt in the process. Again The Little Mermaid Disney version has lasted time way more then the original tale if you ask anyone what the name of The Little Mermaid is they were nearly all tell you Ariel that should tell you something. Hell I would argue that the OG fairy tale is a good vs. evil story. However instead about the Christian concept of self love vs. self sacrifice the latter being good and the former evil to them.

Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask nor Nephrite and Naru were good examples at all. Yes Tuxedo Mask saved Sailor Moon alot but the two got to spend alot of time around each other in their super hero forms and even outside of those forms. Ditto for Nephrite and Naru. Fjord on the other hand claimed to love a Princess he never even met and once more that he thought saved him from the storm when she really didn't. Meanwhile he was spending all this time with Marina gassing her up even saying he would marry her if this Princess he never met was never found. Only to find the one who saved him in the end was Marina. He was a complete and total douche.

No it dosen't but he certainly didn't have to lead Marina on. He certainly didn't have to tell her in one scene how much he liked her and that since he will never meet this phantom Princess how he wanted to marry her. In fact he was going to until Jemmy got in cohoots with Fjord's parents to find this Princess as they didn't want him marrying Marina and as soon as they found this Princess he dropped Marina like a hot tamale for this girl he never even know and barely got to spend much time with.

That is a lie. Princess Cecilia just found him on the beach. Marina was the one who pulled him out of the water and weathered the storms to save him those aren't the same at all.

Yeah he made it clear in the beginning but he then spent time with Marina enough to gain some feelings for her if feelings even matter to him and then left her when he found this girl who he thought saved him. He kept his word to Marina and that shows how much of a douche he is. Honestly I would say that he dosen't really love people for who they are but rather the idea of people in his mind. I have known many like that.

Beryl was a respected witch in the court of the Golden Kingdom. Both Beryl and Endymion clearly knew each other and spoke to each other like they had known each other for a long time during the Battle on the Silver Millennium. Beryl seemed like she knew him and they liked each other as friends but that is all it was and Endymion never led her on.

It isn't wrong to love someone who saved you but also loving the idea of a person is not the same as loving the person. Usagi did have a crush on Tuxedo Mask she also spent alot of time with him and got to know him. None of this happened with Fjord and Cecilia she just showed up because Jemmy and Fjord's parents found her and then Fjord was off to marry a woman he didn't know even though he spent all of this time with Marina. Hell even Rei atleast went on dates with Mamoru at first even though he didn't seem like he saw her as much other then as a friend.

No but Fritz wasn't in the OG stpry at all and the plot was changed. The Daughters of the Air stuff was omitted as was the Princess's main desire of gaining an immortal soul. Really at best the Toei version just turned it into a shaggy dog and a wooby story and a tragic for the sake of tragic story.

That is not true. The Sea Witch on the show was causing storms for malicious reasons. In fact when she sees Marina pining over the Prince she uses this as an opportunity to pull them together. It had nothing to do with cycles and even the other Mermaids saw her as evil. Likewise she tells Marina the price but she was definitely doing what she could to pull Marina to her. She didn't have her sign the contract to benefit herself rather she did the things she did to cause chaos and destruction simply for their sakes

Honestly I think it is so banal that people think that just because something is tragic it is "deep" honestly I think tragedy for the sake of tragedy which is what both stories are, are the opposite of deep it is stupid and foolish. I can appreciate the story but only in the sense of seeing weak and foolish people destroying themselves over love and emotions. Something that Eric and Ariel never did. I consider the Disney version superior because it is a similar good vs. evil story but in this the Little Mermaid has good reasons to love Eric and Eric is a more moral person who loves Ariel even if he never got to meet this phantom Princess. It has characters with fleshed out personalities and goals and it shows two people who do love each other and could have easily lost that and everything but fought for their love.

Whatever was the relationship between Marina and Fjord wasn't love and if she had good sense she would have stabbed him in the heart with the dagger and became a Mermaid again.

Honestly I think that people who think that tragedy for the sake of tragedy is so much better and so superior to anything with a happy ending and is so deep are the same people who like in the woke cult just love anything so long as it is "diverse" to applaud them for their courage. To me tragedy is only good when it can't be avoided honestly the ending of the first season of Sailor Moon was way better tragedy then anything in either the Toei or original Little Mermaid. I still get choked up seeing the finale of Classic. I just feel what I feel when reading or watching the Toei Little Mermaid as I feel reading or watching a Romeo and Juliet adatation. Seeing two stupid, weak teens destroy themselves and in the latter that was sort of the point showing how love can be destructive and foolish in many cases showing as the ancient Greeks did the destructive and negative side of Aphrodite as well as her creative and positive side.

Meanwhile the original tale is a reflection of Hans Christian Andersen's love for a man he can't have and the Christian Philosophy that self sacrifice and pure altruism is the ideal and denying yourself will grant you happiness and heaven. Something I obviously reject.
 
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Who are you talking about not lasting Slowpokeking? The Disney version is the most well known and well regarded version. More people know about The Little Marmaid as Ariel then the original tale. The original tale was a good vs. evil tale but it was also one that shows that love will find a way if you want it too. The OG tale was mainly written due to Hans Christian Andersen's unrequited love for this guy and his Christian guilt in the process. Again The Little Mermaid Disney version has lasted time way more then the original tale if you ask anyone what the name of The Little Mermaid is they were nearly all tell you Ariel that should tell you something. Hell I would argue that the OG fairy tale is a good vs. evil story. However instead about the Christian concept of self love vs. self sacrifice the latter being good and the former evil to them.
No, most of the ppl knew The Little Mermaid as it is, sorry. It is one of the most famous fairy tales through the world and ppl already loved it for hundreds of years.

The original tale didn't tell us her name, which is why Ariel was famous. If you ask most of the ppl what happened to her. Most of them would tell you that tragic ending, not the good ending Disney gave us.

The original tale is not about good VS evil. But a tragic way of ascension.

Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask nor Nephrite and Naru were good examples at all. Yes Tuxedo Mask saved Sailor Moon alot but the two got to spend alot of time around each other in their super hero forms and even outside of those forms. Ditto for Nephrite and Naru. Fjord on the other hand claimed to love a Princess he never even met and once more that he thought saved him from the storm when she really didn't. Meanwhile he was spending all this time with Marina gassing her up even saying he would marry her if this Princess he never met was never found. Only to find the one who saved him in the end was Marina. He was a complete and total douche.
How?

Tuxedo Mask saved Sailor Moon and she immediately fell in love with him, same with Rei. Nephrite and Naru spent very very little time together before Naru fell in love with him.

Fjord had met the princess, she saved him in his most difficult time, she probably didn't even know he was the prince and still offered her hand. How is it not understandable? Again she did save the prince, he was on the shore and she sent ppl to help. Just that Marina did more and again the prince DIDN'T know about Marina's doing.

How is it a douchbag? He didn't know about it, and it's not wrong for him to love the human princess.

No it dosen't but he certainly didn't have to lead Marina on. He certainly didn't have to tell her in one scene how much he liked her and that since he will never meet this phantom Princess how he wanted to marry her. In fact he was going to until Jemmy got in cohoots with Fjord's parents to find this Princess as they didn't want him marrying Marina and as soon as they found this Princess he dropped Marina like a hot tamale for this girl he never even know and barely got to spend much time with.
He told her the truth, he did want to marry her if the human princess wasn't found. He made everything clear in the beginning, and did exactly what he told her, how is it a douchbag?

That is a lie. Princess Cecilia just found him on the beach. Marina was the one who pulled him out of the water and weathered the storms to save him those aren't the same at all.
And she tried to help him, which later she must have helped him return to his kingdom. Marina did more but again he DIDN'T KNOW.

How is it wrong for him to love a beautiful princess who saved and helped him when he was in danger?

Yeah he made it clear in the beginning but he then spent time with Marina enough to gain some feelings for her if feelings even matter to him and then left her when he found this girl who he thought saved him. He kept his word to Marina and that shows how much of a douche he is.
And that's exactly what he told her. He didn't want to gain feeling, he just thought the girl need his help and again, Marina did want to be with him as well.

Honestly I would say that he dosen't really love people for who they are but rather the idea of people in his mind. I have known many like that.
And that is how many human being works. And how is that human princess different in his mind?

Other than she wasn't the one who did the most to save him (he didn't know about it!), her image is pretty much correct. She is a beautiful and very kind woman, who was willing to offer hand to the prince.



Beryl was a respected witch in the court of the Golden Kingdom. Both Beryl and Endymion clearly knew each other and spoke to each other like they had known each other for a long time during the Battle on the Silver Millennium. Beryl seemed like she knew him and they liked each other as friends but that is all it was and Endymion never led her on.
No, it was never told how her status is other than Another Story. Even in Another Story she had her own castle far away from the kingdom.

They knew each other as who they are but there is no proof that she had spent time with him, otherwise her flashback would not be something like secretly staring at him instead of true interaction.

The friendship also came from nowhere.

All we can see is that she knew him as the prince. Endyimon had no interaction with her, it's possible that he didn't even know her.



It isn't wrong to love someone who saved you but also loving the idea of a person is not the same as loving the person. Usagi did have a crush on Tuxedo Mask she also spent alot of time with him and got to know him. None of this happened with Fjord and Cecilia she just showed up because Jemmy and Fjord's parents found her and then Fjord was off to marry a woman he didn't know even though he spent all of this time with Marina. Hell even Rei atleast went on dates with Mamoru at first even though he didn't seem like he saw her as much other then as a friend.
How? Human beings do love others when they can fulfill the idea in their mind. Naru and Nephrite was the perfect exmaple.

Fjord didn't want to do it, they even had to force him to marry her at first by taking Marina.

Also he knew that the princess has saved him, offered him her hand with good heart in his difficult time probably without even knowing that he is the prince.

How is it not enough or wrong for him to love her? And how is it different than what she is?

No but Fritz wasn't in the OG stpry at all and the plot was changed. The Daughters of the Air stuff was omitted as was the Princess's main desire of gaining an immortal soul. Really at best the Toei version just turned it into a shaggy dog and a wooby story and a tragic for the sake of tragic story.
He didn't affect the story's main plot or twist characters like Disney.

That is not true. The Sea Witch on the show was causing storms for malicious reasons. In fact when she sees Marina pining over the Prince she uses this as an opportunity to pull them together. It had nothing to do with cycles and even the other Mermaids saw her as evil. Likewise she tells Marina the price but she was definitely doing what she could to pull Marina to her. She didn't have her sign the contract to benefit herself rather she did the things she did to cause chaos and destruction simply for their sakes
Nothing every showed it. It was also Marina who wanted to see her. In the fairy tale she was afraid by the others as well. She didn't pull Marina to her, she made everything clear and didn't seem to gain anything extra from it. And later she gave the way out.

Honestly I think it is so banal that people think that just because something is tragic it is "deep" honestly I think tragedy for the sake of tragedy which is what both stories are, are the opposite of deep it is stupid and foolish. I can appreciate the story but only in the sense of seeing weak and foolish people destroying themselves over love and emotions. Something that Eric and Ariel never did. I consider the Disney version superior because it is a similar good vs. evil story but in this the Little Mermaid has good reasons to love Eric and Eric is a more moral person who loves Ariel even if he never got to meet this phantom Princess. It has characters with fleshed out personalities and goals and it shows two people who do love each other and could have easily lost that and everything but fought for their love.
It's not, this fairy tale was able to last so long throughout the world for hundreds of years because it's so beautiful, because it's not affected by some evil witch forces but great love and sacrifice.

Whatever was the relationship between Marina and Fjord wasn't love and if she had good sense she would have stabbed him in the heart with the dagger and became a Mermaid again.
Again, nobody should die for not love someone, that is evil.
 
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She is Caucasian, even ancient Egyptians were not considered to be pure black.

If we go with the details, then black ppl have a lot of diversity among them, I don't think it's wise to go on with it. Other examples like Othello is not actually the black we think today, but a Moor.
Yeah, exactly, racial categories are not biological fact. “Black” is a very large category with lots of genetic diversity across Africa/sub-Saharan Africa. “Caucasian” is also misleading. I have ancestry from the actual Caucasus region, so Caucasian meaning white in general is an annoying term for me, lol.
 
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I really don't understand why so many ppl mistook Beryl's manga character.

Sure if I could rewrite it, I would make her sympathetic and truly have feeling for Endymion, but in the actual manga she simply wanted him as a trophy and wanted to rule the world, not much different than in the anime.
 
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