Do Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn Not Exist in the Future?

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MementoNepenthe

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I think the academy villa on Moon Island could still make for an interesting spin-off. Who are Chibiusa's teachers and classmates there? What do they study? Lots of potential!
 
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MementoNepenthe

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Pluto/Setsuna is given two different stories in Infinity. In Act 32, Pluto says she was reincarnated thanks to Neo Queen Serenity, who lent her her power. But then in Act 33, Michiru (who I believe is the one speaking) suggests she, Uranus, and Pluto were all reincarnated on Earth along with everyone else following the collapse of Silver Millennium (the artwork supports this). WHICH IS IT?
Thinking about this again, I've looked up the original passages:

(Act 32)
Pluto:
わたしはあなたの美しき母君偉大なるネオ・クイーンセレ二ティの力を借り転生してきたのです重大なる使命のために
I borrowed* the power of your beautiful and most revered mother, the magnificent Neo-Queen Serenity, to be reincarnated for a mission of vital importance.

Pluto is clearly attributing her reincarnation to NQS, though I can't quite parse whether or not NQS was actively responsible (*i.e., I'm not quite sure if dead!Pluto somehow helped herself to some of NQS's power to be reincarnated, or if NQS actively lent her power to Pluto to revive her).

(Act 33)
? (It's not clear whether Setsuna, Haruka, or Michiru is speaking):

おたがいの守るべき領域は遠く.
The territories we protected were far apart from each other.
本来ならけっして出会うことのないわたしたちは.
By all rights, we ought never to have met.
こうしてこの星の人間として転生し.
But then we were reincarnated as humans on this planet.
(Original text: こうしてこの星の人間の姿で転生し. But then we were reincarnated in human form on this planet.)
また三人出会ってしまった.
The three of us met again.

――タリスマンがよびあっている.
...The Talismans were calling out.
外からの侵入者――.
Invaders from beyond...

Pluto:
もうとめられない そう感じたわ。
We felt there was no stopping them anymore.
そして侵入者を追ううち見つけてしまったのろわれた三角洲のまんなかに.
And, while chasing after the invaders, we found them in the center of this accursed delta.
わたしたちの手の中に敵はいた.
The enemy was right in our hands.

1. Since they were never supposed to meet, does that mean Uranus and Neptune only started dating on Earth, or do you think they had a long-distance relationship? :lol:
2. It's interesting that the original text says they were "reincarnated in human form," as though they were not initially human(oid).
3. The panel discussing their reincarnation reuses the scene from Act 31 where Haruka and Michiru teleport to Setsuna's side when she's in distress/awakening as Pluto:



This makes it seem like they were all reincarnated and awakened together. (Which would have probably made more sense, but whatever...) This seems to contradict NQS's being involved in Pluto's reincarnation.
4. Pluto makes it sound like she tracked the enemy to Mugen along with Haruka and Michiru, which is blatantly inconsistent with the actual sequence of events...
 
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#44
Pluto is guarding the dpace time door which was around the castle or so it seemed because Chibi Usa was there all the time. I think the other guardians just live away. They were never that close to them and always kept some distance.
 

Sabrblade

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#45
Just goes to show how Naoko really was crafting the story on the fly as she went along.
 
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#46
In Act 56, while Eternal Sailor Moon and co. are busy with Mnemosyne and Lethe, we get this scene set in Crystal Tokyo:




At this point in the story, Mamoru, the Inners, the Outers, and Saturn have had their Sailor Crystals stolen from them and been killed by Galaxia and the Animamates, yet we are clearly shown six and only six coffins/beds, all occupied by the Inners, Mamoru, and Pluto. So what gives? Why did Naoko not include Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn in this scene? As far as I can tell, in none of the scenes set in Crystal Tokyo following their introduction in the manga do Uranus, Neptune, or Saturn make an appearance or get a mention.

Now, Saturn I can understand. In the Infinity arc, Pluto seems to suggest that Saturn was not originally meant to awaken, and the events being induced by the Death Busters that ultimately result in her awakening are some sort of aberration of time/destiny. Certainly if Saturn existed in Crystal Tokyo, Chibiusa would have already known her and been friends with her, so it makes sense that Saturn might not exist in Chibiusa's Crystal Tokyo. Similarly, if Uranus and Neptune existed in the future, she should/would have recognized them, and if the whole Death Busters thing was just some aberration of time/destiny, I suppose it makes sense that in the timeline whence Chibiusa hails, they too would not have awakened. But you would think that once she returned to the future she would have said to her parents, "Hey, I just met three new Sailor Guardians, why don't we track them down? They'd be a big help around here!" I mean, awakened or not, they and their Sailor Crystals still exist, so....where are they? What's the deal?

What do you guys think? Do Uranus, Neptune, and Saturn exist in the future and we just don't see or hear about them? If so, why? Where are they? What are they doing? And if you don't think they're supposed to be around in the future, is it due to the reasons I've given above or some other reason? Why would Naoko not want to include them?

Or maybe Usagi just got super conservative in her old age and decided to banish all lesbians from her kingdom.
Let us review here.In the R arc the outer s didn't igsist yet.Uranus and Neptune do not have a post in the future.After the Infinity arc.The outer have different post.Uranus,and Neptune are probably are at their respective posts.
 

Seira Hazuki

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The fact that Naoko bothered to show Sailor Pluto in the future when Future!Pluto died during the Black Moon arc and her body was reincarnated in the 21st Century creating a huge plot hole... and yet Chibiusa didn’t even show any concern for her supposed best friend Sailor Saturn because she’s off screen? Sounds like bad writing to me.
 

onesurvive

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It's also bizarre that Sailor Pluto seems to exist in Chibiusa's future (she sacrificed herself during the Black Moon arc and was reborn in the 20th Century), and that she's in her super form while the rest of the senshi are in their basic forms (though apparently Naoko forgot that Mercury does not have shoulder pads in the manga :lol:).
I like to pretend they are all in eternal forms... haha
 

MementoNepenthe

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Sort of related...

In Act 48, when everyone is confronting Queen Nehellenia, we get that flashback scene to Nehellenia's crashing Princess Serenity's first birthday party. We see her, the infant princess, Queen Serenity, and the Inners in this scene.

But then we get this page:


link

PLUTO:
思い出した I remember
――忘れかけていた I was starting to forget
――記憶の中に封じこめたいまわしいあの日の出来事 My memories of that horrible day's events were buried deep

あのころまだ月は かげりひとつない白い光の星だった
Back then, the moon was still a star of pure white light, unblemished by even a single shadow
平和と幸せしかなかったわ
There was only peace and happiness.
あいつが闇とともにいつから住みついたのかだれも気づかなかった
No one noticed that darkness had settled among us
闇と悪夢はどこから生まれてくるの?
Whence had come the darkness and nightmares?
どうして広がってゆくのだろう招かれざる客よ
They were spread by an uninvited guest.

For Pluto to be able to have memories of that day, and for her to also seemingly have memories of life on the moon in general, she must have been living there at that time. But then why don't we see her? Naoko could have easily assigned this exposition to one of the Inners, but she gave it to Pluto instead. I don't think Pluto is meant to be omniscient, so how else would she have those memories unless she were there? But if she were living on the moon back then, why didn't the Inners remember her? (Or did they and the present day Inners simply hadn't recovered those memories yet?) And did Uranus and Neptune also live on the moon before Queen Serenity gave them their castles?

In Act 24, we did see Queen Serenity telling a young Pluto about the three taboos; presumably this was when she was assigning Pluto to her duty as guardian of the Door of Space-Time. We also know there was a space-time door in the Moon Palace that Luna stumbled across once, leading Queen Serenity to tell Luna to forget what she'd seen and heard because knowledge of Pluto's existence was forbidden. If Pluto did once live on the moon, this means Luna (and Artemis?) came to the moon some time after Serenity assigned Pluto to her post. But also...why was knowledge of Pluto's existence forbidden if she had just been living on the moon? Unless Serenity were keeping her hidden away in an attic somewhere as her secret love child with Chronos...

New theory: Pluto is the rightful ruler of the Moon Kingdom :lol:
 

onesurvive

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Now, Saturn I can understand. In the Infinity arc, Pluto seems to suggest that Saturn was not originally meant to awaken, and the events being induced by the Death Busters that ultimately result in her awakening are some sort of aberration of time/destiny. Certainly if Saturn existed in Crystal Tokyo, Chibiusa would have already known her and been friends with her, so it makes sense that Saturn might not exist in Chibiusa's Crystal Tokyo. Similarly, if Uranus and Neptune existed in the future, she should/would have recognized them, and if the whole Death Busters thing was just some aberration of time/destiny
Or they realize if Chibiusa knew who they were it would wreck the timeline so they kept themselves a secret until Chibiusa returns after SuperS/Dream Arc because by that point she would know them.
 

MementoNepenthe

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So to prevent a time paradox they (and everyone else) kept their existence a complete secret for 900+ years? That's dedication, I guess.