Do you think if Ikuhara continued with Stars.................

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I think it might be better if Naoko Takeuchi was the one who did Utena's manga rather than Chiho Saito since based on reading the forum posts of Ikuhara on the Utena forums, Ikuhara seems to find ways to covertly insult Saito even a decade after the release of Utena, Takeuchi is less conservative and more professional than Chiho.
 

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I think it might be better if Naoko Takeuchi was the one who did Utena's manga rather than Chiho Saito since based on reading the forum posts of Ikuhara on the Utena forums, Ikuhara seems to find ways to covertly insult Saito even a decade after the release of Utena, Takeuchi is less conservative and more professional than Chiho.
Do you have sources for this ? I was unaware that there were some drama between him and Saito ? Didn’t she write a short Utena chapter recently ?
 
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I think it might be better if Naoko Takeuchi was the one who did Utena's manga rather than Chiho Saito
:cackle: Please... don't make me laugh!

I haven't watched Stars. Being a big fan of Ikuhara I'd say that Stars would've been packed with stock footage, the atmosphere would have had a theatrical aspect, shadows galore, and an exquisite balance of contrast. Knowing Ikuhara, there wouldn't be weddings, he would've made the most of the Starlights, the girls would have transitioned from teenagers to adults by delving into the process with all that it entails and Sailor Galaxia's background would've been refined.

Takuya Igarashi directed that season though, he was an excellent disciple of Kuni-chan and Junichi Sato was in the staff as well. I don't think it can be that bad.

Well, Ikuhara is Ikuhara, don't take his comments seriously. He does love trolling.
 
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:cackle: Please... don't make me laugh!

I haven't watched Stars. Being a big fan of Ikuhara I'd say that Stars would've been packed with stock footage, the atmosphere would have had a theatrical aspect, shadows galore, and an exquisite balance of contrast. Knowing Ikuhara, there wouldn't be weddings, he would've made the most of the Starlights, the girls would have transitioned from teenagers to adults by delving into the process with all that it entails and Sailor Galaxia's background would've been refined.

Takuya Igarashi directed that season though, he was an excellent disciple of Kuni-chan and Junichi Sato was in the staff as well. I don't think it can be that bad.

Well, Ikuhara is Ikuhara, don't take his comments seriously. He does love trolling.
Yeah, and it seems that Chiho gained a bad rap in the fandom due to her homophobic comments regarding Utena, If Naoko worked in Utena it would have been straight up Lesbian I think, I think Chiho is less professional than Takeuchi and she likes to work in Yaoi rather than Yuri, if Ikuhara stayed we would have likely had the half of the Dream Arc which was adapted into Sailor Stars have Sailor Moon in eternal form and Sailor Moon and Cosmos would not be changed from the manga and likely Galaxia's backstory in both the anime and the manga would be the one in the Materials Collection.
 
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He was never shown to care about Saphir like he did in the 90’s anime and old musicals, so him losing him doesn’t exactly mean much. He doesn’t hesitate even a little when it came to killing him and barely shows any remorse.


I don't see how Crystal was whitewashing him at all.
It wasn’t that Crystal whitewashed him (it didn’t) but more the fact that it took away Usagi’s agency by having Death Phantom off her would be rapist rather than herself.


Yes what he did was monstrous, but he also was a evil human being. It's all about the struggle that was originally in him. That's why he felt like a character instead of just a tool like most of the SM manga villains. Same for Galaxia.

Evil doesn't mean the character could only do bad things without personality or change, that's exactly why most of the SM villains fail to impress ppl. It's not because they are evil or not redeemed, but because they don't feel like a character.
(Don’t forget Beryl, Kaitou Ace, Black Lady and Sailors Lethe and Mnemosyne!) I’m not saying he didn’t feel human, on the contrary he was probably the perfect representation of what an overly religious, right-wing nutjob looks like, but we still don’t know much about him or what made him that way to shape those beliefs (unlike the aforementioned villains above) so he still comes off as just as generically evil as the rest, only his brand of evilness is one of the more “realistic” ones I should say.
 
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#88
He was never shown to care about Saphir like he did in the 90’s anime and old musicals, so him losing him doesn’t exactly mean much. He doesn’t hesitate even a little when it came to killing him and barely shows any remorse.
Didn't he show quite emotion when he had to kill him, and it caused his madness?

It wasn’t that Crystal whitewashed him (it didn’t) but more the fact that it took away Usagi’s agency by having Death Phantom off her would be rapist rather than herself.
I think you mistook it.

His last words were turning back to call her "Queen..." which was to reveal his true feeling that he did recognize her as the power that ppl should follow and love. His earlier words were more likely to cover his pride.


(Don’t forget Beryl, Kaitou Ace, Black Lady and Sailors Lethe and Mnemosyne!) I’m not saying he didn’t feel human, on the contrary he was probably the perfect representation of what an overly religious, right-wing nutjob looks like, but we still don’t know much about him or what made him that way to shape those beliefs (unlike the aforementioned villains above) so he still comes off as just as generically evil as the rest, only his brand of evilness is one of the more “realistic” ones I should say.
He was obviously handled better than Beryl, and Black Lady was turned evil.

His evil had a clear goal to reshape the earth, along with his ruthless temper. He also wanted to be charge and openly oppose the one who was manipulating him. Yeah he is evil but quite easily recognizable and unique among the SM villains.
 
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Didn't he show quite emotion when he had to kill him, and it caused his madness?
No not really, not that I recall. I thought what drove him mad was the realization he had been played by Wiseman, not that he had to kill Saphir.

I think you mistook it. His last words were turning back to call her "Queen..." which was to reveal his true feeling that he did recognize her as the power that ppl should follow and love. His earlier words were more likely to cover his pride.
Headcanon, we have no idea what he meant when he looked at her and said “Queen” for the last time, though probably not like how you imagined it since he was openly stating his intentions to kill her a few seconds ago.

Why would he suddenly acknowledge/recognize her as the leader people should love if he was still planning to kill her? That doesn’t make sense.


He was obviously handled better than Beryl, and Black Lady was turned evil.

His evil had a clear goal to reshape the earth, along with his ruthless temper. He also wanted to be charge and openly oppose the one who was manipulating him. Yeah he is evil but quite easily recognizable and unique among the SM villains.
Not really, Beryl at least we’re shown through a flashback did seem to genuinely have feelings for Endymion, it wasn’t much but it was there, whereas Demande was portrayed as pure evil who had no true feelings for NQS and just desired to break that cold gaze she fixed upon him that saw him as a monster.

Beryl also had a clear goal in the manga, she desired to release Earth from the Moon’s control as along with her jealousy of the Princess she also genuinely believed that they were spying on the Earth and trying to take control which is one of the fears Metallia successfully manipulated among both her and the Earth’s people.

I will give you that Demande probably is one of the most human villains in the manga yes, bland and nothing but evil yes, but religious fanatic rapists like him do exist in real life so at least he has realistic goals and beliefs.