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Neo King Rose

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#81
Nike-chan said:
Prince Rose said:
she is in my mind and Seiya is her dad, and chiba stays dead thats how stars ended for me :ohmy:
the canon is just a buzz kill :o
Indeed, Chibiusa could be adopted :P . Or Seiya and Usagi's lovechild..But I like to think that's Chibi chibi! :love: Obviously, Usagi has some recessive gene for red hair, and so does Mamoru/Seiya.
I see a lot of fanfics pairing Seiya with Kakyuu and having Chibusa born to them.. :eek: It's a pairing I dislike, and yet it makes sense. :P
Seiya X Kakyuu? :eek:
 

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I hate Usagi + Seiya pairings. UGH. :dead:
Seiya isn't matue enough for Usagi. He's also too arrogant, forward, and wild for her. Usagi herself is already pretty wild, and she also has tendencies to be dense and childish, so she needs someone like Mamoru who is more reserved, a lot more mature, level-headed, and patient to balance her out and take care of her. Mamoru is perfect for Usagi, and Usagi and Mamoru obviously agree. :mrgreen:

EurAsianGirl said:
I myself also greatly dislike the Usagi/Mamoru couple from seasons 3 and onward in the anime. She should of gone with Seiya, Mamoru turned into her father by Super not her boyfriend :(
LOL It's only because Usagi's so childish and Mamoru's so mature and reserved that it may appears this way. :loltext:
 

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#83
Smoking bomber said:
I hate Usagi + Seiya pairings. UGH. :dead:
:cookie: x infinity. :D

Not to mention that it seemed like Seiya was trying to *steal* Usagi from the guy that she liked and was already involved with.
 
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#84
Smoking bomber said:
I hate Usagi + Seiya pairings. UGH. :dead:
Seiya isn't matue enough for Usagi. He's also too arrogant, forward, and wild for her. Usagi herself is already pretty wild, and she also has tendencies to be dense and childish, so she needs someone like Mamoru who is more reserved, a lot more mature, level-headed, and patient to balance her out and take care of her. Mamoru is perfect for Usagi, and Usagi and Mamoru obviously agree. :mrgreen:
Noooo! It's not possible to use these words in a sentence :eek: *chants* Seiya! Seiya! Seiya! :innocent:

*ahem* anyway...I cannot stand Usagi And Mamoru together. Mamoru is so cold to her in the anime :( He acts like he doesn't even love her! In the manga it's a different story, I can tolerate this couple in the manga but ONLY the manga. Seiya actually shows affection for Usagi, I think they were perfect for each other :innocent:

And another I hate is incest pairings. In fact this is the first time I saw this thread and I wanted to barf at the Dimande and Saphir one :shocked: :grey: Ew. And I don't like Chibi Usa and Mamoru either, this is just plain nasty D: Another ew :grey: :grey:
 

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MagicUsergirl said:
*ahem* anyway...I cannot stand Usagi And Mamoru together. Mamoru is so cold to her in the anime :( He acts like he doesn't even love her! In the manga it's a different story, I can tolerate this couple in the manga but ONLY the manga. Seiya actually shows affection for Usagi, I think they were perfect for each other :innocent:
at this moment I love you :love:
*5 seconds later*
ok now I love Usagi again
 

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#87
Sabrblade said:
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Nike-chan said:
Yes, yes. :P Saphir is adopted! They don't even look alike! Think about it people- they're in love! :ninja: l o l
But for example Chibiusa doesn't look like Usagi or Mamoru. ^_^'
At least saying he's adopted is nice for not beeing so disgusted by it.
Rika-Chicchi said:
So maybe Chibiusa is also adopted? :P
But it's been explictedly stated that Usagi gave birth to Chibiusa with Mamoru. Another example would be the Tsukino family. Usagi has blonde hair and Shingo has brown hair, yet Ikuko has blue(?) hair and Kenji has black hair. There's a lack of resemblance going on there too.

It it's almost as though the Sailor Moon series takes biology and genetic science and then beats them with an aluminum bat. XD
It could also be that Usagi & Shingo have inherited the hair genes from their grannies? l o l And in any case Chibiusa's hair color & eye color could've been altered w/ the technology at the time, if she hasn't even dyed her hair & worn red contacts. :)
 
#88
Smoking bomber said:
I hate Usagi + Seiya pairings. UGH. :dead:
Seiya isn't matue enough for Usagi. He's also too arrogant, forward, and wild for her. Usagi herself is already pretty wild, and she also has tendencies to be dense and childish, so she needs someone like Mamoru who is more reserved, a lot more mature, level-headed, and patient to balance her out and take care of her. Mamoru is perfect for Usagi, and Usagi and Mamoru obviously agree. :mrgreen:
I think not, for the exact reasons you listed above- Mamoru is more reserved and mature- he doesn't suit Usagi. He's often plain cold, and quickly becomes stale, too. There's so much to be said for and done with the Seiya x Usagi pairing. :D
And those traits of Seiya's you have described- they're hot, and they are not his only traits. He is also loyal, loving, protective, a 'fall in love' type, brave and dutiful. He is ideal for Usagi, as Seiya can just as easily balance and calm Usagi as Mamoru can, yet I think with more love and class.


Sabrblade said:
Not to mention that it seemed like Seiya was trying to *steal* Usagi from the guy that she liked and was already involved with.
Seiya was not trying to steal Usagi from Mamoru- I think that is completely off. From his point of view, here is this girl, abandoned by this man who does not write or contact her and leaves her to go overseas- he thought Mamoru was hurting her, and had probably left her. He wasn't 'stealing', as he didn't even see them together (unless you count the airport) or see her happy until the very end, and that was when he left. To him, she was 'fair game' as dub Usagi and Minako like to say.
 
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Nike-chan said:
Sabrblade said:
Not to mention that it seemed like Seiya was trying to *steal* Usagi from the guy that she liked and was already involved with.
Seiya was not trying to steal Usagi from Mamoru- I think that is completely off. From his point of view, here is this girl, abandoned by this man who does not write or contact her and leaves her to go overseas- he thought Mamoru was hurting her, and had probably left her. He wasn't 'stealing', as he didn't even see them together (unless you count the airport) or see her happy until the very end, and that was when he left. To him, she was 'fair game' as dub Usagi and Minako like to say.
Exactly what I always thought.
 

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Usapon said:
Nike-chan said:
Sabrblade said:
Not to mention that it seemed like Seiya was trying to *steal* Usagi from the guy that she liked and was already involved with.
Seiya was not trying to steal Usagi from Mamoru- I think that is completely off. From his point of view, here is this girl, abandoned by this man who does not write or contact her and leaves her to go overseas- he thought Mamoru was hurting her, and had probably left her. He wasn't 'stealing', as he didn't even see them together (unless you count the airport) or see her happy until the very end, and that was when he left. To him, she was 'fair game' as dub Usagi and Minako like to say.
Exactly what I always thought.
ditto
 

Sabrblade

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#91
Nike-chan said:
Sabrblade said:
Not to mention that it seemed like Seiya was trying to *steal* Usagi from the guy that she liked and was already involved with.
Seiya was not trying to steal Usagi from Mamoru- I think that is completely off. From his point of view, here is this girl, abandoned by this man who does not write or contact her and leaves her to go overseas- he thought Mamoru was hurting her, and had probably left her. He wasn't 'stealing', as he didn't even see them together (unless you count the airport) or see her happy until the very end, and that was when he left. To him, she was 'fair game' as dub Usagi and Minako like to say.
He still could have done his research to see what was up with Mamoru's lack of responses, instead of just assuming something about a guy he knows little to nothing about. A way he really could have made Usagi happy would have been to offer to try and help her get in better contact with Mamoru, as all she really wanted was do that just that. Even if Usagi wouldn't ask him herself, he could have still offered his help willingly.

The Guardian Senshi didn't look into this matter until much later only because Usagi didn't reveal until then that Mamoru hadn't replied to her at all. However, she told Seiya this much sooner and, being likely wealthy from his performing artist career, he'd probably have more resources available to him than the Guardian Senshi to check on Mamoru's status overseas.

Even though Mamoru was technically dead at the time and Usagi wouldn't be able to get in contact with him anyway, the simple act of Seiya trying to help Usagi become more aware of what had happened to Mamoru would have been very nice of him to do. Yet, this didn't happen.

In fact, I kinda wonder how the series would have played out had Usagi learned of Mamoru's "death" earlier in the series than she did. Would she have had to learn to keep going in the fight without him anymore? Or would she have become more determined to find some way to bring him back, refusing to believe that he couldn't return?
 
#92
Sabrblade said:
He still could have done his research to see what was up with Mamoru's lack of responses, instead of just assuming something about a guy he knows little to nothing about.
I don't think any guy who has got his eyes onto a pretty and apparently free girl would. :| Even if Seiya was good enough to observe that that guy wasn't around, he still was a guy. :|
 

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Usapon said:
Sabrblade said:
He still could have done his research to see what was up with Mamoru's lack of responses, instead of just assuming something about a guy he knows little to nothing about.
I don't think any guy who has got his eyes onto a pretty and apparently free girl would. :| Even if Seiya was good enough to observe that that guy wasn't around, he still was a guy. :|
exactly
 
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#94
Nike-chan said:
Smoking bomber said:
I hate Usagi + Seiya pairings. UGH. :dead:
Seiya isn't matue enough for Usagi. He's also too arrogant, forward, and wild for her. Usagi herself is already pretty wild, and she also has tendencies to be dense and childish, so she needs someone like Mamoru who is more reserved, a lot more mature, level-headed, and patient to balance her out and take care of her. Mamoru is perfect for Usagi, and Usagi and Mamoru obviously agree. :mrgreen:
I think not, for the exact reasons you listed above- Mamoru is more reserved and mature- he doesn't suit Usagi. He's often plain cold, and quickly becomes stale, too. There's so much to be said for and done with the Seiya x Usagi pairing. :D
And those traits of Seiya's you have described- they're hot, and they are not his only traits. He is also loyal, loving, protective, a 'fall in love' type, brave and dutiful. He is ideal for Usagi, as Seiya can just as easily balance and calm Usagi as Mamoru can, yet I think with more love and class.
He suits Usagi perfectly. Her is the yang to her yin. They complete each other, and because they're so different, have a lot of offer and learn from each other. Seiya + Usagi is in no way any kind of balance because they're both all over the place. And did you really just use the world "class" in reference to Seiya? :loltext: Yeah right. Mamoru is the epitome of a classy man.
Those other Seiya traits you listed, Mamoru has all of those in abundance. There's nothing Seiya can offer Usagi that she doesn't already have or get from her relationship with Mamoru.
 

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#97
Usapon said:
Okay, what ever, I'm not going to look up these threads anymore. :| Keep your Mamos and Usas, I'm sick of fangirling any SM-character of choice. I don't want to keep on with this endless argument.

So long, everyone! Seiya x Usa rocks! :oh:
same here, whats the point of arguing it's only gonna make more arguments
so enjoy your chibas X usas
and Rose/Usa rules and is the only true SM pair that counts :ohmy:

btw you crack me up smoking bomber, always forgetting to log in :lol:
 
#98
Sabrblade said:
He still could have done his research to see what was up with Mamoru's lack of responses, instead of just assuming something about a guy he knows little to nothing about. A way he really could have made Usagi happy would have been to offer to try and help her get in better contact with Mamoru, as all she really wanted was do that just that. Even if Usagi wouldn't ask him herself, he could have still offered his help willingly.

The Guardian Senshi didn't look into this matter until much later only because Usagi didn't reveal until then that Mamoru hadn't replied to her at all. However, she told Seiya this much sooner and, being likely wealthy from his performing artist career, he'd probably have more resources available to him than the Guardian Senshi to check on Mamoru's status overseas.

Even though Mamoru was technically dead at the time and Usagi wouldn't be able to get in contact with him anyway, the simple act of Seiya trying to help Usagi become more aware of what had happened to Mamoru would have been very nice of him to do. Yet, this didn't happen.
It doesn't take 'wealth' to do this research. Usagi could have done it easily herself, but it just never occurred to her. And you are assuming that Seiya was aware that no-one had done this research before. How do we know he didn't think that everything was researched and Mamoru had simply disappeared off the radar? And if he had, why would Seiya make an effort to continue to search for this man, who has abandoned his Odango? He thinks Mamoru is a heartless [insert word]- as can be seen in the episode where he goes to her house, and says to a picture of them 'Don't make her so sad', before placing it face-down. The anime makes it very clear how Seiya is perceiving the situation, so it's very unfair to say he was stealing someone elses girl. I hate that.


Smoking Bomber said:
And did you really just use the world "class" in reference to Seiya? Yeah right. Mamoru is the epitome of a classy man.
Those other Seiya traits you listed, Mamoru has all of those in abundance.
Um, yes, I did. Classy is one of the best words for describing Seiya. Let's have a look at a definiton:
class·y   /ˈklæsi, ˈklɑsi/
[klas-ee, klah-see]
–adjective, class·i·er, class·i·est. Informal .
of high class, rank, or grade; stylish; admirably smart; elegant.
Ticks all of the boxes. Just because 'class' is a Mamoru trait does not mean that Seiya doesn't have buckets of it. Seiya is very classy- far classier, in fact, than Mamoru: by the way in which he deals with people, and his very sauve manner with women, and what would now be a fashionable dress sense. If you look at idols in Japan today, these men set the dress standards for most stylish men in western countries. Mamoru would be wearing his businessman suit. Fantastic.
Mamoru makes me think of a very serious, uptight businessman- classy does not equal unemotive. If it did, Mamoru beats Seiya by a mile.
Smoking Bomber said:
There's nothing Seiya can offer Usagi that she doesn't already have or get from her relationship with Mamoru.
Is that so? What about facial expressions, for a start? Or maybe, more than a four word average response to her prompts in conversation?
 

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#99
Nike-chan said:
It doesn't take 'wealth' to do this research.
I never said it did. I was only pointing out his wealth to indicate that, if the middle-class Guardian Senshi were able to look into Mamoru's overseas status, then it should be no trouble for Seiya to perform. Though, If money and class really do not have anything to do with them being able to access personal information from Harvard about Mamoru, then nevermind this argument of mine. ^_^'

Nike-chan said:
How do we know he didn't think that everything was researched and Mamoru had simply disappeared off the radar?
How do we know he did and wasn't simply making a false assumption about a guy he never knew?

Nike-chan said:
And if he had, why would Seiya make an effort to continue to search for this man, who has abandoned his Odango? He thinks Mamoru is a heartless [insert word]- as can be seen in the episode where he goes to her house, and says to a picture of them 'Don't make her so sad', before placing it face-down.
In other words, he was being judgemental about someone he had never met or known aside from what little info Usagi told him.

Nike-chan said:
The anime makes it very clear how Seiya is perceiving the situation, so it's very unfair to say he was stealing someone elses girl. I hate that.
This is why I kept my opinions about Kou Seiya to myself bottled up inside for the longest time here. Having read a lot of posts here, I could see that he had a lot of fans and, wanting to respect the opinions of my fellow Moonies, as well as not wanting to be something of an "anti-Seiya" version of Rose (no offense, dude ^_^' :cookie:), I maintained my dislikings of the guy to a minimum, only ever revealing them in the most minute ways I could. Any other mentionings of Seiya I had made were neutral statements that did not directly relate to the pairing of him and Usagi.

But, now that I'm currently re-watching Sailor Stars, and with the sudden appearance of new couple threads like these, I can no longer remain silent. I confess to being a non-Seiya supporter, but NOT to the extent of:
A) all/most of my posts containing some form of anti-Seiya messages,
B) my arguments against him being merely irrational and illogical bashing.

I will continue to maintain a control over my dislike of the guy, just as I have been, so as to respect the opinions of others who disagree with me.