How would you have remade SuperS?

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zttmoon

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If you could rewrite SuperS how would you have done it. And it has to be more than just make like the manga, no do your spin on it. Keep in mind this will be a normal 90's anime season.

For me obviously, the Outters to be involved more, but that is a giving. Make Pegasus more likable, and not be so secretive, at some point Chibiusa give an ultamatem, either tell more info or she tells Usagi his secrets.

We could still have Amazon Trio and than the Amzoness Quartet, but we be done with the Trio much sooner, maybe 13 episodes and than they are gone, that is how long Jedite and Kalanite got in past seasons, that is typically pace for the opening villains.

Episode 14 is when things change, not do we meet the Amazoness Quartet, but also meet Queen Nehelena, and this is when the Outters come back in the story, this is when we do what we did in episode 167, which is Pluto comesback and take Hotaru from Tomoe and than we do the whole adatpion of Hotaru slowing growing, though we streach that out a big longer.By episode 19 she is fully grown again with her memories and ready to fight.

With the Amazoness Quartet, we do something similar we did with Al and An, our heroes know their civilain identities and at least in our heroes minds friends with them. And like Haruka and Michiru in the first of S, they keep bumping into them and no one questions it. So when we find out the truth, it has more impact than in the actually show, when they knew them for one episode, than Usagi acts like it is the most heart betrayl moment ever.

Also when we meet up with the Outters, have Hotaru be suspecious of the Quartet's civilain identities, and that causes slowly a rift between her and Chibiusa, who accuses Hotaru of being jealousy. And all the Outters call out Pegasus for being too secretive because they know from experience, and that causes more rift between Chibi and Hotaru. Don't worry it will work out, I love those two and their relationship, but tension makes the best story.

Of course we do have the Sailor Quartet this time, and like in the manga, Saturn plays a big role in them surviving. And she even admits she might have been a little jealousy of how well they got along with Chibi.

And whatever with Pegasus, I guess we do whatever we did in the manga, I make no secret I am not the biggest Pegasus / Helios fan, it is not that I hate him, he is just boring to me.

I am kind of 50 / 50 on weather we redem Nehelena or not. I am leaning towards no.
 
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- Include the Outers
- Make the Amazon Trio arc about five episodes shorter, and make sure their arc is more evenly divided among the three of them
- Have a two-part episode with Xenotime and Zeolite to transition from the Amazon Trio to the Amazon Quartet
- Make more of the victims-of-the-day characters we already know (Umino, Motoki, Ryo, Yuuchirou, Grandpa Hino, the Ayakashi sisters, Miss Haruna)
- Give Jupiter and Venus SEPARATE power-up episodes
- Make the finale an awesome final battle showdown instead of ten minutes of Usagi and Chibiusa falling.
 

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- Include the Outers
- Make the Amazon Trio arc about five episodes shorter, and make sure their arc is more evenly divided among the three of them
- Have a two-part episode with Xenotime and Zeolite to transition from the Amazon Trio to the Amazon Quartet
- Make more of the victims-of-the-day characters we already know (Umino, Motoki, Ryo, Yuuchirou, Grandpa Hino, the Ayakashi sisters, Miss Haruna)
- Give Jupiter and Venus SEPARATE power-up episodes
- Make the finale an awesome final battle showdown instead of ten minutes of Usagi and Chibiusa falling.
I do agree Ayakashi sister coming back. I understand with Al and An never coming back, but the sisters they are still on Earth, why couldn't they have been targets of future bad guys not only with the Dead Moon Circus but the Death Busters as well. Though in the case of SuperS, use them during the Amazon Trio time, Tiger Eye and Hawk Eye hitting on them would be hilarious.
 
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Make the plot somewhat like Persona 3 and Persona 4.

The Trio actually have to go inside their chosen victim's dream where the Sailors actually follow with the help of Pegasus. Lemures/Remless are actually the fears and nightmares of the victims similar to Nephrite's Youma.

Have a mini-arc with Dracul and Vampir like R did with the Doom Tree.
 

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I do want an episode when Chibi hosts a sleepover with the Quartet, and Pegasus is right under their noices and they don't even know it. The Quartet befriend Chibi because they think she be a great addition to their team and turn the Quartet to a Quintet that is their long term plan. It is because they are her guardians, they do feel a connection to her, they just don't understand why, they think it is because they think she is destined to be their 5th member.

Chibi befriending the Quartet would add more to the Sailor Quartet reveal, in the manga Chibi's reaction was I am going to have my own guardians cool. But this way, them having to go back to sleep and not see Chibi till the future, Chibi would have to say goodbye to her new friends. Be a more emotional moment, have a group hug, the feels.
 
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Remember that the leader of the Inners is Sailor Venus, and why. And I mean truly remember, not just have a single battle where she gets angry enough to cut loose and almost kill Hawk's Eye, Tiger's Eye, two Lemures, and, as collateral damage, Sailor Moon and Sailor Chibimoon.
 

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Add outers
Don't just focus on chibiusa but let everyone else have spotlight
Have the Amazon Trio live as regular humans after Usagi had her dream mirror broken instead of faeries
Have Chiba be more important in this season and be connected to the golden Crystal and by extension chibiusa

Have dreams and nightmares be more of a central theme rather than just life goal dreams
 
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I'd like a lot of it to be closer to manga. So the Golden Crystal is Mamoru's, and Mamoru is more involved in the season (he doesn't stay sick in bed while the finale is happening).

Jupiter and Venus have separate power-up episodes, which are not based on their (apparently) fragile friendship.

Keeping a MOTW formula, the Trio arc doesn't last as long as it does. Also their would-be assissins are Xenotime and Zeolite instead of a lemure.

No combine transformation sequence with Sailor Moon and Chibi Moon. That thing demands those two to be together and is too forceful.
 
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If you could rewrite SuperS how would you have done it. And it has to be more than just make like the manga, no do your spin on it. Keep in mind this will be a normal 90's anime season.

For me obviously, the Outters to be involved more, but that is a giving. Make Pegasus more likable, and not be so secretive, at some point Chibiusa give an ultamatem, either tell more info or she tells Usagi his secrets.

We could still have Amazon Trio and than the Amzoness Quartet, but we be done with the Trio much sooner, maybe 13 episodes and than they are gone, that is how long Jedite and Kalanite got in past seasons, that is typically pace for the opening villains.

Episode 14 is when things change, not do we meet the Amazoness Quartet, but also meet Queen Nehelena, and this is when the Outters come back in the story, this is when we do what we did in episode 167, which is Pluto comesback and take Hotaru from Tomoe and than we do the whole adatpion of Hotaru slowing growing, though we streach that out a big longer.By episode 19 she is fully grown again with her memories and ready to fight.

With the Amazoness Quartet, we do something similar we did with Al and An, our heroes know their civilain identities and at least in our heroes minds friends with them. And like Haruka and Michiru in the first of S, they keep bumping into them and no one questions it. So when we find out the truth, it has more impact than in the actually show, when they knew them for one episode, than Usagi acts like it is the most heart betrayl moment ever.

Also when we meet up with the Outters, have Hotaru be suspecious of the Quartet's civilain identities, and that causes slowly a rift between her and Chibiusa, who accuses Hotaru of being jealousy. And all the Outters call out Pegasus for being too secretive because they know from experience, and that causes more rift between Chibi and Hotaru. Don't worry it will work out, I love those two and their relationship, but tension makes the best story.

Of course we do have the Sailor Quartet this time, and like in the manga, Saturn plays a big role in them surviving. And she even admits she might have been a little jealousy of how well they got along with Chibi.

And whatever with Pegasus, I guess we do whatever we did in the manga, I make no secret I am not the biggest Pegasus / Helios fan, it is not that I hate him, he is just boring to me.

I am kind of 50 / 50 on weather we redem Nehelena or not. I am leaning towards no.
I agree with quite a few of these ideas here are the things I personally would do. I would introduce the Outers much early during the Amazon Trio arc because I would love to see the Trio vs Sailor Uranus, Sailor Neptune and Sailor Pluto. I would do a similar idea to the Sailor Stars story except I would have Setsuna come back and move in with Professor Tomoe as well as contact Haruka and Michiru. Together the four of them would help raise Hotaru and she would be eventually grow to be the same age as Chibiusa and would go to school with her along with Momoko and Kyuusuke and Setsuna would be the school nurse. Haruka and Michiru would go to school at Juuban High School while the Inners are still in Juuban Middle School. I would however not have Hotaru be the one to give the Outers their Super forms. I would instead have her fight in her first form with the other Outers and be given a Saturn Planet Power Make Up transformation like the other Outers. I would instead have all of the Inners and Outers get their Super forms at the same time by Pegasus. I would also have Death Reborn Revolution be Sailor Saturn's first attack and it will basically be her shooting a planetary ball like the other Outers and when it makes contact with the enemy it will burst into purple energy ribbons that attack the Lemures. The Outers when they turn Super will get Super transformations and attacks like the Outers. One subplot I would include is that Setsuna and Professor Tomoe become a couple and Setsuna eventually marries Souichi and becomes Hotaru's stepmom.

I would also do for the Amazoness Quartet having them having full civilian forms and have them get to know the Inners and Outers. They would also go to Chibiusa and Hotaru's school and become friends with Chibiusa however Hotaru like in your story dosen't trust them and has issues with them. I would also have in the very end that the Amazoness Quartet becomes the Sailor Quartet and goes to sleep so they can guard Chibi Moon in the future. Also back to the Trio in their finale I would have that instead of Mister Magic Pierrot being sent after them I would send Xenotime and Zeolite like someone else suggested I would of course have the ending where the Trio turns good.

Next for Queen Nehellenia I would keep her story most of it the same except I would have that the mirror that she used that foretold her future as an old woman was actually possessed by a character I made up. This character would be based off manga Queen Nehellenia that I call Queen Abyzou. Who is the Queen of the New Moon and the Queen of Hell. There would also be a flashback where Queen Abyzou appears at the birth of Princess Serenity during the Silver Millennium and is sealed away in the mirror and also curses the fall of the Silver Millennium. I would also give Phobos and Deimos a bigger role I would actually have them become Sailor Senshi and become Sailor Phobos and Sailor Deimos and be Sailor Mars's Guardian Senshi. Here are my designs for Queen Abyzou and Sailor Deimos and Sailor Phobos.

Queen Abyzou

Sailor Deimos and Sailor Phobos

Also the final battle would take place in Elysion like in the manga and would have them redeeming Queen Nehellenia and giving her a new life on her Asteroid which I am going to have be the Asteroid Hygiea and banishing Queen Abyzou to Hell who I will have return in a later sequel based off of the Dracul arc.

I would also do a SuperS movie like the original and it would follow the same plot with Queen Badiane but it would take place after SuperS and instead of Chibiusa having that little romance with Helios it would be Hotaru instead and all of the Outers would appear. Also I wouldn't change much on Helios as I do like him and I will show that Helios is Chibiusa's true love.

I would also add that I agree with many people that some of the part civilian characters would be victims of the day. It would be nice to do an episode with the Ayakashi Sisters returning and Sailor Jupiter and Sailor Venus would have separate Super episodes and they wouldn't be ripoffs of the R storyline.

I also like the idea Zttmoon of the Amazoness Quartet having a sleepover with Chibiusa and Hotaru and not knowing that Helios is right under their noses. I would also show some contrast between Chibiusa and the Quartet and Chibiusa wants to grow up and be a beautiful lady where as the Quartet want to remain as children. I also like the idea of the Amazoness thinking that Chibiusa could be their fifth member. I could see Cerecere making this suggestion following by Pallapalla saying "Yeah then we would be the Amazoness Quintet." That would be cute.

Oh and yeah even though I have been calling them the Amazoness Quartet if I had my way both Dead Moon Teams would be the Amazon Trio and Amazon Quartet. The Amazoness thing is just stupid.
 
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I also really liked Nehellenia's story in the Silver Millennium in the manga and would like that included.

As well as the fact that the Dark Moon of the Eclipse never ended and was only hidden by the illusion of the circus tent. Just the idea that an enemy is powerful enough to conceal such an event for so long and that their entire presence is linked to that ongoing event just shows how powerful they are. Able to hide the danger they pose for so long.

Plus it seems almost symbolic that they hide the obvious danger (the dark moon) with their tent (something suppose to be fun to the observer).
 

zttmoon

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I agree with quite a few of these ideas here are the things I personally would do. I would introduce the Outers much early during the Amazon Trio arc because I would love to see the Trio vs Sailor Uranus, Sailor Neptune and Sailor Pluto. I would do a similar idea to the Sailor Stars story except I would have Setsuna come back and move in with Professor Tomoe as well as contact Haruka and Michiru. Together the four of them would help raise Hotaru and she would be eventually grow to be the same age as Chibiusa and would go to school with her along with Momoko and Kyuusuke and Setsuna would be the school nurse. Haruka and Michiru would go to school at Juuban High School while the Inners are still in Juuban Middle School. I would however not have Hotaru be the one to give the Outers their Super forms. I would instead have her fight in her first form with the other Outers and be given a Saturn Planet Power Make Up transformation like the other Outers. I would instead have all of the Inners and Outers get their Super forms at the same time by Pegasus. I would also have Death Reborn Revolution be Sailor Saturn's first attack and it will basically be her shooting a planetary ball like the other Outers and when it makes contact with the enemy it will burst into purple energy ribbons that attack the Lemures. The Outers when they turn Super will get Super transformations and attacks like the Outers. One subplot I would include is that Setsuna and Professor Tomoe become a couple and Setsuna eventually marries Souichi and becomes Hotaru's stepmom.

I would also do for the Amazoness Quartet having them having full civilian forms and have them get to know the Inners and Outers. They would also go to Chibiusa and Hotaru's school and become friends with Chibiusa however Hotaru like in your story dosen't trust them and has issues with them. I would also have in the very end that the Amazoness Quartet becomes the Sailor Quartet and goes to sleep so they can guard Chibi Moon in the future. Also back to the Trio in their finale I would have that instead of Mister Magic Pierrot being sent after them I would send Xenotime and Zeolite like someone else suggested I would of course have the ending where the Trio turns good.

Next for Queen Nehellenia I would keep her story most of it the same except I would have that the mirror that she used that foretold her future as an old woman was actually possessed by a character I made up. This character would be based off manga Queen Nehellenia that I call Queen Abyzou. Who is the Queen of the New Moon and the Queen of Hell. There would also be a flashback where Queen Abyzou appears at the birth of Princess Serenity during the Silver Millennium and is sealed away in the mirror and also curses the fall of the Silver Millennium. I would also give Phobos and Deimos a bigger role I would actually have them become Sailor Senshi and become Sailor Phobos and Sailor Deimos and be Sailor Mars's Guardian Senshi. Here are my designs for Queen Abyzou and Sailor Deimos and Sailor Phobos.

Queen Abyzou

Sailor Deimos and Sailor Phobos

Also the final battle would take place in Elysion like in the manga and would have them redeeming Queen Nehellenia and giving her a new life on her Asteroid which I am going to have be the Asteroid Hygiea and banishing Queen Abyzou to Hell who I will have return in a later sequel based off of the Dracul arc.

I would also do a SuperS movie like the original and it would follow the same plot with Queen Badiane but it would take place after SuperS and instead of Chibiusa having that little romance with Helios it would be Hotaru instead and all of the Outers would appear. Also I wouldn't change much on Helios as I do like him and I will show that Helios is Chibiusa's true love.

I would also add that I agree with many people that some of the part civilian characters would be victims of the day. It would be nice to do an episode with the Ayakashi Sisters returning and Sailor Jupiter and Sailor Venus would have separate Super episodes and they wouldn't be ripoffs of the R storyline.

I also like the idea Zttmoon of the Amazoness Quartet having a sleepover with Chibiusa and Hotaru and not knowing that Helios is right under their noses. I would also show some contrast between Chibiusa and the Quartet and Chibiusa wants to grow up and be a beautiful lady where as the Quartet want to remain as children. I also like the idea of the Amazoness thinking that Chibiusa could be their fifth member. I could see Cerecere making this suggestion following by Pallapalla saying "Yeah then we would be the Amazoness Quintet." That would be cute.

Oh and yeah even though I have been calling them the Amazoness Quartet if I had my way both Dead Moon Teams would be the Amazon Trio and Amazon Quartet. The Amazoness thing is just stupid.
Thank you for liking my ideas, and I like wise think you have good ideas too.

You know it just occured to me, it we have the Quartet have civilan identities and friends with Chibiusa, etc., like we suggested. We could still do episode 155 and not have to change much.

One more thing I want to add, when the Inners have their power ups and spotlight episodes during the Amazoness Quartet arc, the Quartet that is featured has to be their counter part. For example Ami getting a powerup when VesVes is the main villain of the episode makes no sense, it should have been PallaPalla.
 
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I should have included Nehelenia much earlier. Like others said I would have made the amazones attracted to Chibiusa. I would have included the outers as well, especially Hotaru being chibiusa s protector. The trio would have more even targets and less formulatic. But overall the Dream arc is much shorter and tighter to make it all fluff. But they could have explored Nehelenia and queen serenity past, including the earth kingdom and silver millenium much more, as they had a lot more episode to fill and use.
 

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Also after Chibi has to say goodbye to the Sailor Quartet, her and Mamoru have a little moment of understanding, since he has experience. Of course probably have to change the first season and make it clear who the Shiteno were.
 
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I would've had the Outers show up near the end of the battle as a surprise. After the Senshi worked together to defeat Dead Moon, the reformed Amazoness Quartet would say to Chibusa, "See ya around, kid." Chibiusa would watch them walk away, surprised when a vision of the Sailor Quartet flashed in her mind. The rest of the episode would be just like it was originally, just without the Amazoness part.
 
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I just realized I made some errors for the SuperS movie I would have Hotaru be romanced by Perle not Helios. I would of course keep Helios with Chibiusa.
 
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It's hard for me to make isolated changes to SuperS without making changes to everything before that point, but I can make a stab at it. I will admit that I like MariaTenebre's idea of calling both groups "Amazon" as Amazones/Amazoness is just awkward.

If we must have a MOTD format, then, as rgveda99 wote, I'd like the attacks to take place inside of dreams, while the targets are asleep, where Pegasus allows the Sailor Guardians to enter dreams. This means the victims are asleep when they are targeted. However, in the name of dreams coming to life, it is the victim which is transformed into the Monster of the Day in the dream, which then transforms them in real life. Thus the only way to transform them back is to help them overcome their fears or recover their dreams.

The Amazon Trio would be under the Amazon Quartet, with the corresponding member of each overseeing their member. For instance, Jun Jun would oversee Hawks's Eye, Palla Palla would oversee Fisheye, while Ves Ves would be Tiger's Eye boss. Cere Cere, by contrast, would be doing her own thing.

I'd also have the Amazon Trio be dream demons, seemingly innocuous animals during when awake with the circus as a cover, but transforming into their humanoid forms when entering the dream world. At first, they would seduce the figures in their targeted dreams, only for the dreams to turn into horrible nightmares and the victims to be under the spell of the Amazon Trio. I'd also connect the personal powerups with the targeting of the Guardian as lining up with the manga However, this obviously leaves a hole with Cere Cere, who would target Usagi on her own. However, in that episode it is Venus who gets her powerup as she realizes her dream, not just her duty, to see the Princess happy.

I would include special episode where MIchiru and Haruka have a falling out and are both targeted by Hawk's Eye and Fisheye respectively, only for both of them to reject the fake dreams outright (in contrast with the Inners, who do succumb). Instead of getting a powerup based on overcoming their fears, they get simultaneous powerups based on their love.

The goal of the Amazon Trio would be to take control of a dream as that is the only through the power of a dream they could truly become human. They eventually realize that it is only through their own dreams (which they do possess, in contrast with the anime) they can become human. In this way they turn against their masters and come under the protection of Helios, while it's the Amazon Quartet that do not seemingly have dreams.

However, as the Amazon Trio is reformed, the Inners wonder about the Amazon Quartet, and it is revealed their "real world" selves aren't their true selves, but distorted versions of their true dream selves as the Sailor Quartet, and they were corrupted due to fighting the nightmare queen Nehellenia who has taken their dreams.

Nehellenia is the Queen of the Dark Moon which will become Nemesis in the future, but her past is more similar to that of the manga. Her goal is to put everyone to sleep so that she can escape from the Mirror and enter reality. The conclusion would be weird, though. Nehellenia gets what she wants in that she is brought back to life in the real word by the world falling asleep, but the Sailor Guardians defeat her true self in the dream realm, which forces her to fade from reality.
 
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