If you worked for Optimum and you were in charge of localizing Sailor Moon in the 90’s

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What edits would you change? What from the original would you keep?

As for me I would:

  • Keep the Molly/Nephlite arc but substitute it’s godawful PSA with a Sonic Sez “Stranger Danger” message instead.
  • Age Darien back down into his manga age
  • Remove the girls jumping off the balcony during the Princess Diamond episode to keep in consistency with not showing Serena using her umbrella to land. (Or just show that scene but edit the actual dangerous balcony jumping)
  • Change back Raye’s dialogue to the original “Serena entrusted me with the Moon Stick” rather than making it seem like she “stole it.” (God knows for what reason they changed this)
  • Remove Sapphire having a crush on Emerald and substitute the dialogue to something more neutral sounding instead like mocking her over her crush.
  • Either specify in no uncertain terms that a female Droid changed Serena or exchange this scene:


  • For this:
    (Lord knows why the hairbrush scene was cut when a 14 year old Serena being assaulted was way more inappropriate to show to the kiddos)
  • Make Amara and Michelle best friends instead of cousins. (Actually I might keep that the same just for the memes.)
  • Erase Brad, keep the kissing talk scene like it was in the original.
  • Recast Helios to a more age appropriate voice
  • Get rid of the disturbing Rini stripping naked in front of him scene.
  • Cut out the episodes where Tigers-Eye and Fish target kids (They were bad episodes anyways so little would be lost)
  • Maybe change the Quartet’s ages? I don’t know about you but 10-12 year olds really shouldn’t be running around in clothes that skimpy. :P
 

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  • Age Darien back down into his manga age
There's absolutely no way this would work. He's clearly a full-grown man in the 90s, and so are his acquaintances. Motoki wouldn't be running a business if he was a teenager, and they're clearly the same age.

  • Erase Brad, keep the kissing talk scene like it was in the original.
This is the approach some dubs took. The italian one did that, I guess?

  • Erase Brad, keep the kissing talk scene like it was in the original.
You can't mention characters from the Bible (Adam and Eve) so casually in a scene about sexuality. Even to this date, this wouldn't be appropriate for a children's show airing in a Christian country.

  • Maybe change the Quartet’s ages? I don’t know about you but 10-12 year olds really shouldn’t be running around in clothes that skimpy.
This wouldn't work either. They're clearly younger than the main cast, but Chibiusa. You would do better not mentioning their ages at all.
 
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The forum would hate me. I'd keep just about every change (especially the flipping of the driving scenes), although I would get rid of things like Sailor Mars mentioning Tuxedo Mask helping out in a battle where he didn't. I'd also make the video edits more of 4Kids quality where even though it's edited, it does look a little more congruent. Yeah, I'd take the time to paint over the cels myself if I had to.

This is just a sample of what I'd do:
  • Keep the Negaverse as the series-wide threat, which would mean both Wiseman and the Heart Snatchers would be serving the Negaforce, which is trying to break into our dimension again and again.
  • Somehow make a brief, two-second scene of showing the Moonlight Knight fading from existence instead of Sailor Mercury just saying he disappeared.
  • Get rid of "Dog Day for Artemis" and "Follow the Leader"
  • Change the "Moon Scepter Elimination" footage in "Treed" to use the "Moon Crystal Healing Activation" footage and rewrite the dialogue very slightly. Also, this would show that Sailor Moon can heal bad guys with the Crystal and thus makes the development later in R less sudden.
  • No mention of Tokyo at ALL. I'd also erase the kana and translate or replace it with English.
  • "Crystal Tokyo" becomes "Crystalopolis" - same number of symbols and meter
  • Keep "Heart Snatcher" but get rid of "Bureau of Bad Behavior" and "Witches 5"
  • Edit the infamous Fisheye scene to change his body type and give him a bra, or even add some censor steam to give the impression of covering it up.
  • The only Sailor Says I'd change are the ones that are completely off the mark, like the one from An Artful Attack which dovetailed into drugs instead of the super obvious message of the episode which was to have confidence and be yourself...especially since that message is more important in the digital age as time goes on.
One big change I would make would be try to consolidate the rest of Sailor Moon R, Sailor Moon S, and part of Sailor Moon Supers into a second 65-episode season. It would probably mean that the last episode of that batch would be the Amazon Trio getting their dream mirrors. Of course, I'd be in trouble when there wouldn't be 65 episodes for a third season.

There's absolutely no way this would work. He's clearly a full-grown man in the 90s, and so are his acquaintances. Motoki wouldn't be running a business if he was a teenager, and they're clearly the same age.
I agree, but the dub did try to subtly age Andrew down by adding a line about him expressing a wish of he would like to do when he grew up.
 
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You can't mention characters from the Bible (Adam and Eve) so casually in a scene about sexuality. Even to this date, this wouldn't be appropriate for a children's show airing in a Christian country.
This wouldn’t have been that hard to do, just omit any references to the Bible and Adam/Eve all together as well as get rid of that silhouette kissing scene which I assume was meant to be a reference to the latter.


Keep the Negaverse as the series-wide threat, which would mean both Wiseman and the Heart Snatchers would be serving the Negaforce, which is trying to break into our dimension again and again
This, this, soo much this! It was beyond frustrating and even a little weird that they broke the whole established Negaverse continuity they had set up with the localization once Cloverway took over, made the show feel inconsistent.


Get rid of "Dog Day for Artemis" and "Follow the Leader"
Also agree, the most pointless and innane filler episodes alongside that infamous dinosaur one. Though maybe I’d keep “Follow the Leader” if only because the original songs DIC did for the episode slapped and the script itself was hilarious and a vast improvement over the original

(Why keep the disturbing Tiger and Fish pedo episodes though? Not only do I think they’re inappropriate to show to American kids but the episodes themselves exemplify everything bad about SuperS as a season and would not be missed.)


Edit the infamous Fisheye scene to change his body type and give him a bra, or even add some censor steam to give the impression of covering it up.
I’m curious why you would change this? No shade but this was actually Cloverway’s most brilliant f*ck-up that ended up being vastly more politically sensitive than the original Japanese where Fish is just a Trap.

I’m also curious as to why you’d keep such pointless changes such as having Mars insinuate that she stole the Moon Wand (that has contributed to her hatedom till this day) and Sapphire having a crush on Emerald? Can you make a case for why these changes were good when they served absolutely no purpose and actively butchered characterization in the process? (In the case of Raye.)

It was especially jarring in Raye’s case because the dub also took the opportunity to make her nicer and more supportive in “A Crystal Clear Destiny.” So Optimum edited out the slap and changed Raye from calling Serena a coward into actually starting to acknowledge her as leader and then not 5 episodes later they immediately walk back on that and have Raye attempt mutiny once again? It’s deliberate character regression from the progression they inserted in the first place. (Made all the more noticeable since that episode also comes after the Ski episode which serves as the end to Raye and Serena’s frenemy arc where they finally come together as true friends at last.)

And for Sapphire there was no point in inserting another potential romantic relationship that they would never be able to resolve, his upcoming final episode with Prisma would’ve been more than sufficient enough to establish his heterosexuality.


  • The only Sailor Says I'd change are the ones that are completely off the mark, like the one from An Artful Attack which dovetailed into drugs instead of the super obvious message of the episode which was to have confidence and be yourself...especially since that message is more important in the digital age as time goes on.
I’m guessing this includes the Sailor Says I take most umbrage with where after the end of the Molly/Nephlite arc they actively praise “Molly’s Folly” and assert to the kids “don’t worry, everyone has a little good in them, even that creepy twice your age adult man who wants to meet up with you late at night and keep secrets from your friends and family!” …Right?
 
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No change needed from the original Japanese anime, none of these are necessary.

Anime are not to teach ppl what to do in real life.
 
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No change needed from the original Japanese anime, none of these are necessary.
Eh I would argue the censoring of Classic’s finale was definitely needed, it was even too much for Japanese kids at the time which subsequently led to the toning down of all future season finales.

You also have to understand that due to the difference in culture and the way they’re raised, kids in Japan are vastly more mature than your average American kid, a 5 year old kindergartener in America (Sailor Moon’s original target audience) is not on the same level as a 5 year old in Japan, and the editing out of the graphic violence and sexualization themes reflect that.

The queer censorship on the other hand was vastly unneeded at the time I agree, but that was more just a reflection of the homophobic era 90’s America was stuck in. I think it’s about the only sort of censorship Optimum was unjustified in, and probably would’ve been kept all intact if their dub had been done in modern times.

Everything else though was completely understandable when you consider the different cultural contexts and maturity levels of the audience in question.
 
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Eh I would argue the censoring of Classic’s finale was definitely needed, it was even too much for Japanese kids at the time which subsequently led to the toning down of all future season finales.

You also have to understand that due to the difference in culture and the way they’re raised kids in Japan are vastly more mature than your average American kid, a 5 year old kindergartener in America (Sailor Moon’s original target audience) is not on the same level as a 5 year old in Japan, and the editing out of the graphic violence and sexualization themes reflect that.

The queer censorship on the other hand was vastly unneeded at the time I agree, but that was more just a reflection of the homophobic era 90’s America was stuck in. I think it’s about the only sort of censorship Optimum was unjustified in, and probably would’ve been kept all intact if their dub had been done in modern times.

Everything else though was completely understandable when you consider the different cultural contexts and maturity levels of the audience in question.
I agree on the point regarding the censorship of queer/LGBT themes. While it was understandable for time period, the censorship was not justified. Not at all.
 

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Eh I would argue the censoring of Classic’s finale was definitely needed, it was even too much for Japanese kids at the time which subsequently led to the toning down of all future season finales.

You also have to understand that due to the difference in culture and the way they’re raised kids in Japan are vastly more mature than your average American kid, a 5 year old kindergartener in America (Sailor Moon’s original target audience) is not on the same level as a 5 year old in Japan, and the editing out of the graphic violence and sexualization themes reflect that.

The queer censorship on the other hand was vastly unneeded at the time I agree, but that was more just a reflection of the homophobic era 90’s America was stuck in. I think it’s about the only sort of censorship Optimum was unjustified in, and probably would’ve been kept all intact if their dub had been done in modern times.

Everything else though was completely understandable when you consider the different cultural contexts and maturity levels of the audience in question.
Not at all. I was a little kid seeing it but was heavily impacted by such strong sacrifice. Yes it made me sad but all the characters showed their brightest moment. It was just so beautiful to see and remember.

Even those who normally don't talk about this show, still have some memories about this finale when I asked them recently.

I was deeply pissed when I learned DIC cut it heavily, glad my childhood didn't miss it.
 

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Eh I would argue the censoring of Classic’s finale was definitely needed, it was even too much for Japanese kids at the time which subsequently led to the toning down of all future season finales.
i'm under the impression that one of the reasons the tone shift in SuperS was some executive at Toei or Asahi getting annoyed at the dark route the previous season went.
 
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i'm under the impression that one of the reasons the tone shift in SuperS was some executive at Toei or Asahi getting annoyed at the dark route the previous season went.
Nah that had nothing to do with it (and SuperS was arguably still plenty dark what with the Amazon Trio’s targeting methods) I was specifically referring to season finales only, and it’s a fact that every subsequent finale after Classic was heavily toned down and never got that brutal again.


I was deeply pissed when I learned DIC cut it heavily, glad my childhood didn't miss it.
The DIC version was actually pretty memorable in it’s own right, it had some rocking original soundtracks such as “Carry On” and “It’s A New Day.”
 
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Not at all. I was a little kid seeing it but was heavily impacted by such strong sacrifice. Yes it made me sad but all the characters showed their brightest moment. It was just so beautiful to see and remember.
Also how old were you exactly when seeing it? Because there’s a big difference between a little kid between the ages of 4-5 seeing something that violent and someone in the 8-12 range.

All of the complaints Toei and Naoko got were from the parents of traumatized preschoolers specifically. Remember that the 90’s anime unlike the manga was targeted towards really little kids, like not even primary school aged, more like the same audience who would watch Blues Clues and Sesame Street.
 
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Also how old were you exactly when seeing it? Because there’s a big difference between a little kid between the ages of 4-5 seeing something that violent and someone in the 8-12 range.

All of the complaints Toei and Naoko got were from the parents of traumatized preschoolers specifically. Remember that the 90’s anime unlike the manga was targeted towards really little kids, like not even primary school aged, more like the same audience who would watch Blues Clues and Sesame Street.
Giving the kids of that age the message to stay in the kitchen is bad, Sailor Moon lost her transformation in episode 199 and became Princess Serenity in episode 200 they could have made her justify losing her transformation like what happened to Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne.
 
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Giving the kids of that age the message to stay in the kitchen is bad, Sailor Moon lost her transformation in episode 199 and became Princess Serenity in episode 200 they could have made her justify losing her transformation like what happened to Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne.
That’s um… quite the reach. She only becomes Princess Serenity temporarily for the battle which she’s already done numerous times before in the series. (See the Classic & SuperS finales as well as the R movie)
 
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That’s um… quite the reach. She only becomes Princess Serenity temporarily for the battle which she’s already done numerous times before in the series. (See the Classic & SuperS finales as well as the R movie)
But she does not become Eternal Sailor Moon again in the final battle and her Tiare is broken by Galaxia.
 
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  • Change back Raye’s dialogue to the original “Serena entrusted me with the Moon Stick” rather than making it seem like she “stole it.” (God knows for what reason they changed this)


I am utterly confounded as how the fandom continuously get this scene wrong. Raye didn't steal it. Serena left it in her room so she held onto it as a contigency plan in case Serena was forced to give the crystal up. She immediately returns it to her as soon as the girls jump to Serena's rescue and free her.

  • Either specify in no uncertain terms that a female Droid changed Serena or exchange this scene:

I get you're obsessed with that scene but Diamond needing to clarify that a female droid changed her would be awkward and clunky as hell. Like Too Bad. Sunday those buildings would have been filled up tomorrow.

  • Maybe change the Quartet’s ages? I don’t know about you but 10-12 year olds really shouldn’t be running around in clothes that skimpy. :P
It's a whole ass plot point that they don't want to grow up. You can't change their ages without making their story incomprehensible and ruining the point they're a foil to Chibi Usa who wants to grow up.

If you're that bothers with the outfits (which dont look any worse than swim suits) just do what the S Korea dub did and censor the outfits
 
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All of the complaints Toei and Naoko got were from the parents of traumatized preschoolers specifically. Remember that the 90’s anime unlike the manga was targeted towards really little kids, like not even primary school aged, more like the same audience who would watch Blues Clues and Sesame Street.
This is straight up false. The target audiece was 4-12 years old (so pre school to the end of primary school) the target audience was not strictly preschoolers ala Blue Clues.
 
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  • Keep the Negaverse as the series-wide threat, which would mean both Wiseman and the Heart Snatchers would be serving the Negaforce, which is trying to break into our dimension again and again.

Since the Negaforce was never properly defeated I always felt like combining it with Pharoh 90 would have been a wise move to wrap up that plot point for the dub's purposes.
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  • No mention of Tokyo at ALL. I'd also erase the kana and translate or replace it with English.
To be fair, its quite possible Kodansha wouldn't allow DiC to change the location. Given how it took DiC and Optimum a while too even directly reference Tokyo I kind of assumed it was something forced on them. Not counting the pre episode preview for Kitty Chaos it took 54 episodes for the dub to outright say they were in Tokyo.



I agree, but the dub did try to subtly age Andrew down by adding a line about him expressing a wish of he would like to do when he grew up.
I just assumed he was a college freshman that was undecided on his major and helping Serena is what inspired him to commit to being pre-med.

Rita being very obviously a college student (I think a grad student at that?) would have made making Andrew any younger than a college student kind
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If you're that bothers with the outfits (which dont look any worse than swim suits) just do what the S Korea dub did and censor the outfits
I was actually thinking this would be the best alternative but I wasn’t sure that was possible, how exactly did the South Korean dub manage to censor the outfits? Doesn’t that require original animation?


This is straight up false. The target audiece was 4-12 years old (so pre school to the end of primary school) the target audience was not strictly preschoolers ala Blue Clues.
True but the very fact it included preschoolers is enough for me. More accurately it was for an all-ages audience that even adults could enjoy like Disney movies, yet even Disney movies had the good sense to never get that brutally violent like the Classic finale ended up being precisely because of those preschoolers in the audience.

Look I love Classic’s finale as much as the rest of the fandom does but Optimum was absolutely right to censor it the way they did, even Toei realized they screwed up on that one.
 
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I was actually thinking this would be the best alternative but I wasn’t sure that was possible, how exactly did the South Korean dub manage to censor the outfits? Doesn’t that require original animation?
They just digitally painted over the bare skin parts with black to make it look like fabric.



True but the very fact it included preschoolers is enough for me. More accurately it was for an all-ages audience that even adults could enjoy like Disney movies, yet even Disney movies had the good sense to never get that brutally violent like the Classic finale ended up being precisely because of those preschoolers in the audience.
I honestly didn't think the violence in those episodes was any worse than say Mufasa's death, Kocoum getting shot. Frodo killing Quasimodo's mother etc etc.

Look I love Classic’s finale as much as the rest of the fandom does but Optimum was absolutely right to censor it the way they did, even Toei realized they screwed up on that one.
DiC was right to censor it in the sense of they probably wouldn't have been allowed to air those episodes uncut for kids network tv sure.