Is the Chibiusa hate a western thing?

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Tsundereshipper

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Umm, Maybe it is like Black Lady? or If Wiseman had the ability to amplify person's malice....
Or more likely since he was just meant to be MOTD-fodder Naoko was rather inconsistent with his characterization and didn’t depict him much beyond “psycho mad scientist.” Galaxia, Beryl, Kaitou Ace, Sailors Lethe/Mneosyne and Black Lady are the only well-written villains in the manga. (And to some extent Demande, Kunzite and Rubeus as well, though the former is more just well-written in a pure evil sort of way.)

Yes Ikuhara certainly depicts incest a lot, but I think it is meant to express ultimate unrewarded love. He wrote romances between people sibling-like,
It feels like the incest between Demande & Saphir in the 90’s anime is meant to be viewed more positive or at least neutral compared to the sibling incest in Utena though, maybe because it’s gay incest and Ikuhara has a soft spot for anything queer?

Some Ikuhara characters give up they first love and accept loves from other, and Chibiusa is that type.
Or maybe Saphir with Petz was meant to be this type as well?




but he treated incest between parent and child as an abuse in Penguin Drum.
Also in Utena when Touga was sexually abused by his adoptive father, though not blood related.
 
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Hate of Chibi-Usa in Japan is directly linked to the plummeting birth rates. The current female adults of Japan realized how horrible motherhood would be by watching 90s Sailor Moon and are instead investing their time and money into expensive bags, shoes, and cars instead of on families and kids. :P
And pets such as dogs too - it's not unusual to see strollers not carrying human babies but pets in the streets nowadays. XD

Over here we often say the daughter is actually the lover of her father in their past lives, so maybe this could also apply on Chibiusa & Mamoru? lol
 

Rika-Chicchi

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Hate of Chibi-Usa in Japan is directly linked to the plummeting birth rates. The current female adults of Japan realized how horrible motherhood would be by watching 90s Sailor Moon and are instead investing their time and money into expensive bags, shoes, and cars instead of on families and kids. :P
Based women
It mightn't be linked to Chibiusa, but there're more & more marriage-age women & men thinking like that nowadays, even those who don't have any economic pressures in raising children.
 

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I don't think that plummeting birthrates are a bad thing. Yes, it will give our generation alot of pressure, but it will likely pay off in the future. So, we should thank Chibiusa for disillusion many young women.
 
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I don't think that plummeting birthrates are a bad thing. Yes, it will give our generation alot of pressure, but it will likely pay off in the future. So, we should thank Chibiusa for disillusion many young women.
Considering how [BLEEP]ed this planet is due to corporate greed not only is plummeting birth rates not a bad thing its very much a good thing.
 

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I don't think that plummeting birthrates are a bad thing. Yes, it will give our generation alot of pressure, but it will likely pay off in the future. So, we should thank Chibiusa for disillusion many young women.
Considering how [BLEEP]ed this planet is due to corporate greed not only is plummeting birth rates not a bad thing its very much a good thing.
It can reduce human pressure on the environment & other species on this planet. :)
 
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Aren't these anti-fans prevalent in South Korea specifically in Kpop? :question:

Y'know the one's that form a blob to start the so called black ocean. I forgot what's they're called so I can't key it in google's search engine. ^_^'

SNSD experienced this black ocean more than a decade ago before going international and look at them now.

Just wanna share this cause he mentions anti-fans twice.

Anti-:usagi: fans wasn't really that big when compared to the Spice Girls back in the mid and late 90s. There are still hate sites and for some reason still preserved to this day. I still remember that Xena VS the Spice Girls and surprise surprise it still pops up on Google's search results. XD
 
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Chibiusa was definitely a BRAT but Dic's portrayal of her made her ten times unlikable
How though? Can anyone give specific examples of where the DiC dub made her brattier than she already was?

Was it Tracey Hoyt's performance? Which Sandy Fox's performance really honestly doesn't sound that different to me.
 

Neo King Rose

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Chibiusa was definitely a BRAT but Dic's portrayal of her made her ten times unlikable
if there's any version of Chibiusa/Rini that I can say that I hate it's Dic's version from the way she's portrayed to her annoying voice
all other versions are better including CWI
 
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if there's any version of Chibiusa/Rini that I can say that I hate it's Dic's version from the way she's portrayed to her annoying voice
all other versions are better including CWI
I'm kinda curious if the Brazilians have the same kind of hate for her as I recall they localize the DIC dub.
 

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if there's any version of Chibiusa/Rini that I can say that I hate it's Dic's version from the way she's portrayed to her annoying voice
all other versions are better including CWI
CWI has the best voice out of all of them.

I think anti-fans are a healthy symptom showing that a fandom is still relevant, alive, & kicking. :)
Agreed. Any fandom I've been on that's never had any debating at all has tended to go very slowly and/or be dead.
 
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