Naoko’s aversion to gay men?

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Does she have a distaste for them? The Demande/Saphir thread got me thinking, that while the manga is chock full of female queerness, all the queer male characters were purely a 90’s anime invention.

Zoicite and Kunzite being a thing, Saphir’s heavily implied more than brotherly feelings for Demande (and his for him?), Fiore’s whole character, Fish-Eye being gay, all of these were 90’s anime inventions and are little to non-existent in the manga.

Meanwhile while the manga does have Yuri shipping galore it seems quite allergic to showing even one gay man. I suppose you could make the case that Asanuma has a little crush on Mamoru at the most, but even that’s a stretch considering he’s clearly framed as Mako’s love interest and his admiration for Mamoru is probably better explained as your typical kohai-senpai idolization. (Seeing as he never expresses jealousy over finding out Mamoru has a girlfriend)

I’m not sure Fiore would count because although Promise Of The Rose was entirely Ikuhara’s baby, didn’t Naoko at least contribute Fiore’s design? Then again I heard she’s gone on record stating that she dislikes the R movie and that it doesn’t represent her vision of Sailor Moon, so most likely she had no idea what Ikuhara’s plans were for Fiore beforehand. (Similiar to the clash over Utena Ikuhara had with Chiho Saito)

So what gives? Why was Naoko so liberal in featuring female homosexuality but couldn’t bother to make a single one of her male characters gay? Was it just a side-effect of the manga’s primary female focus? But the manga and anime were created concurrently so Naoko had to have known that Toei was planning to make some of her male villains gay, so she could’ve easily translated that into the manga, but she didn’t. Why?
 
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They're getting representation.

Supernatural's Destiel gay baiting is by far worse.

Oh wait. There's Crystal's straight washing just so they can shoehorn that awful SHITtenou X Senshi side arc. ^_^' Though I point to the executives on that one. XD
 
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There was not straightwashing in Crystal. I mean the manga has like one panel that is really open to interpretation and otherwise there is no evidence Zoisite nor Kunzite are gay in the manga. Crystal is not remake of the 90s show to and this pair and this paricular gay representation was not in the story Crystal is adaptating.
 

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They're getting representation.

Supernatural's Destiel gay baiting is by far worse.

Oh wait. There's Crystal's straight washing just so they can shoehorn that awful SHITtenou X Senshi side arc. ^_^' Though I point to the executives on that one. XD
There was not straightwashing in Crystal. I mean the manga has like one panel that is really open to interpretation and otherwise there is no evidence Zoisite nor Kunzite are gay in the manga. Crystal is not remake of the 90s show to and this pair and this paricular gay representation was not in the story Crystal is adaptating.
Yeah, can’t blame Crystal for this one considering none of the male characters were meant to be gay at all in the manga.

The question isn’t why Crystal didn’t keep the gayness of the male characters (obvious answer because it’s a straight adaptation of the manga) but why Naoko herself didn’t write any of her male characters gay or bi in the manga like the 90’s anime did.
 
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Yeah, the story was written at times that unlike today didn't need to represent whatever. And I don't think Naoko of all people could be considered homophobic. Anime is one of the medium that I am actually impressed how open they were to these kind of represantation even in the 60s and 70s, while Japan is considered by many conservative in many ways, including gay marriages.
 
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I’m not sure Fiore would count because although Promise Of The Rose was entirely Ikuhara’s baby, didn’t Naoko at least contribute Fiore’s design? Then again I heard she’s gone on record stating that she dislikes the R movie and that it doesn’t represent her vision of Sailor Moon, so most likely she had no idea what Ikuhara’s plans were for Fiore beforehand. (Similiar to the clash over Utena Ikuhara had with Chiho Saito)

So what gives? Why was Naoko so liberal in featuring female homosexuality but couldn’t bother to make a single one of her male characters gay? Was it just a side-effect of the manga’s primary female focus? But the manga and anime were created concurrently so Naoko had to have known that Toei was planning to make some of her male villains gay, so she could’ve easily translated that into the manga, but she didn’t. Why?
Naoko Takeuchi is fond of Yuri while Chiho Saito is fond of Yaoi.
 

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Naoko created four queer male characters, all of them villains: the Amazon Trio in the manga and Banane for the SuperS movie. She describes all of them as "okama," a very politically incorrect word meaning an effeminate (gay) man who cross-dresses. (The word is roughly analogous to "tr*nny" in English.) It's also worth pointing out that the main villain in Toki*Meca was also revealed to be a transwoman. Naoko's issue doesn't seem to be with "gay men" then, so much as with transwomen / gender-nonconforming men.

Don't get me wrong: I don't think Naoko is some gross transphobic trashhole like a certain British bigot. Rather, I think that, like a lot of Japanese people, Naoko was very ignorant about trans identities and thoughtlessly replicated a lot of ignorant and harmful tropes in her work. It's been 12 years since Toki*Meca ended. Since then, Naoko's been interviewed by a transwoman journalist, a transwoman singer recorded covers for the 20th and 25th anniversary tribute albums, a transwoman played Kunzite in The Super Live, and a recent video game collaboration featured a non-binary model and had a campaign that seemed to center around the idea of inclusivity. I hope that this is a sign that Naoko is now a lot more educated on what it means to be trans and that, if she ever writes another manga, she won't portray trans people as villains, gag characters, or use gender reveals as plot twists.

(I've also never heard the rumor that Naoko designed Fiore before and I'm 100% certain that's not the case as she's said she had no involvement in the R movie, Fiore is just a modification of Ail, and his design doesn't match Naoko's aesthetic sense.)

ETA: I also want to point out Zoisite, who disguises himself as a woman on two separate occasions. That doesn't necessarily indicate anything about his sexuality or gender identity, but it does further play into harmful tropes about deceitful / villainous trans(women).
 
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Naoko created four queer male characters, all of them villains: the Amazon Trio in the manga and Banane for the SuperS movie. She describes all of them as "okama," a very politically incorrect word meaning an effeminate (gay) man who cross-dresses. (The word is roughly analogous to "tr*nny" in English.) It's also worth pointing out that the main villain in Toki*Meca was also revealed to be a transwoman. Naoko's issue doesn't seem to be with "gay men" then, so much as with transwomen / gender-nonconforming men.

Don't get me wrong: I don't think Naoko is some gross transphobic trashhole like a certain British bigot. Rather, I think that, like a lot of Japanese people, Naoko was very ignorant about trans identities and thoughtlessly replicated a lot of ignorant and harmful tropes in her work. It's been 12 years since Toki*Meca ended. Since then, Naoko's been interviewed by a transwoman journalist, a transwoman singer recorded covers for the 20th and 25th anniversary tribute albums, a transwoman played Kunzite in The Super Live, and a recent video game collaboration featured a non-binary model and had a campaign that seemed to center around the idea of inclusivity. I hope that this is a sign that Naoko is now a lot more educated on what it means to be trans and that, if she ever writes another manga, she won't portray trans people as villains, gag characters, or use gender reveals as plot twists.

(I've also never heard the rumor that Naoko designed Fiore before and I'm 100% certain that's not the case as she's said she had no involvement in the R movie, Fiore is just a modification of Ail, and his design doesn't match Naoko's aesthetic sense.)
I think Naoko is not fond of men in general, with some exceptions.
 
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From my understanding Miss Takeuchi had the Lover of Princess Kaguya story originally outlined for the R movie but it ended up getting saved for the S movie and Infinity arc. Don’t recall anything about her being involved with the actual R movie

I doubt she contributed to Fiore’s design since they pretty much recycled the design from Ail.

The Amazon Trio were the only canonically queer male characters in the manga and her referring to them as “Okama”....not the most enlightened view.
 

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Yeah, can’t blame Crystal for this one considering none of the male characters were meant to be gay at all in the manga.

The question isn’t why Crystal didn’t keep the gayness of the male characters (obvious answer because it’s a straight adaptation of the manga) but why Naoko herself didn’t write any of her male characters gay or bi in the manga like the 90’s anime did.
She drew a panel of Zoisite and Kunzite holding hands.
 
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Naoko just doesn't like men that much period and I wonder if her disdain is because how women are treated or viewed in Japanese culture?

She even makes her male characters disguise themselves as women.

I've read that Okama is "usually" a crass way or a slur when used to refer to men who are gay or are feminine but depends on the context. From my knowledge, she doesn't speak of the Trio very highly so it might be used as an insult in this case.
 

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Since then, Naoko's been interviewed by a transwoman journalist, a transwoman singer recorded covers for the 20th and 25th anniversary tribute albums, a transwoman played Kunzite in The Super Live, and a recent video game collaboration featured a non-binary model and had a campaign that seemed to center around the idea of inclusivity. I hope that this is a sign that Naoko is now a lot more educated on what it means to be trans
That's a lot of wishful thinking and wild assumptions. You could as well add Naoko once being served by a 7-11 transgender cashier to that "proof" list. Maybe that indeed was a "sign" of something. And maybe she just wasn't even aware about detailed gender identity info of all these random people she never specifically chose to interact with. :P
 
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Naoko just doesn't like men that much period and I wonder if her disdain is because how women are treated or viewed in Japanese culture?

She even makes her male characters disguise themselves as women.

I've read that Okama is "usually" a crass way or a slur when used to refer to men who are gay or are feminine but depends on the context. From my knowledge, she doesn't speak of the Trio very highly so it might be used as an insult in this case.
Seems like Okama would be the equivalent of calling an effeminate gay man “a queen” over here.
 

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Naoko created four queer male characters, all of them villains: the Amazon Trio in the manga and Banane for the SuperS movie. She describes all of them as "okama," a very politically incorrect word meaning an effeminate (gay) man who cross-dresses. (The word is roughly analogous to "tr*nny" in English.) It's also worth pointing out that the main villain in Toki*Meca was also revealed to be a transwoman. Naoko's issue doesn't seem to be with "gay men" then, so much as with transwomen / gender-nonconforming men.

Don't get me wrong: I don't think Naoko is some gross transphobic trashhole like a certain British bigot. Rather, I think that, like a lot of Japanese people, Naoko was very ignorant about trans identities and thoughtlessly replicated a lot of ignorant and harmful tropes in her work. It's been 12 years since Toki*Meca ended. Since then, Naoko's been interviewed by a transwoman journalist, a transwoman singer recorded covers for the 20th and 25th anniversary tribute albums, a transwoman played Kunzite in The Super Live, and a recent video game collaboration featured a non-binary model and had a campaign that seemed to center around the idea of inclusivity. I hope that this is a sign that Naoko is now a lot more educated on what it means to be trans and that, if she ever writes another manga, she won't portray trans people as villains, gag characters, or use gender reveals as plot twists.

(I've also never heard the rumor that Naoko designed Fiore before and I'm 100% certain that's not the case as she's said she had no involvement in the R movie, Fiore is just a modification of Ail, and his design doesn't match Naoko's aesthetic sense.)
Well I would start off with all of the people here by saying that I don't think that Naoko has any "aversion" to gay men. Hell she even admired and based many of the outfits of her characters on outfits designed by gay male fashion designers like but not limited to Thierry Mugler, Christian Dior, Gianni Versace etc,

Now I would argue that men in general don't play a major role in the manga. Aside from Mamoru and various male villains there aren't that many important male characters at all aside from some civilian characters etc. In fact I would even argue that in the manga atleast even Mamoru and the Inner and Outer Senshi are pretty much there in many points just to big up Usagi.

Just because she didn't have gay male characters in the manga DOES not mean she hates gay men. Just because a specific demographic isn't included by an author in a work of fiction dosen't mean the author hates that group. In fact I would rather have a series without a certain demographic rather then a series like what wokeists create with diversity check points with characters who have no real point but their identity and are usually written as unlikable Mary Sues and their stories are little more then the woke left versions of really every Christian Propaganda movie/series like God's Not Dead etc which I will go into later.

Also to MementoNepenthe. While she might have initially thought of making the Amazon Trio gay. I see no evidence of this. In fact in the manga I would argue that the only one who may be gay is actually Hawk's Eye. Tiger's Eye and Fisheye both tried to romance in Rei and Ami to trap them in their respective nightmares etc. Where as Hawk's Eye didn't try to romance Makoto but dressed as a female and tried to act as her best friend more or less like how Fisheye was in the OG 90s anime. You could argue Banane but given that many times Naoko Takeuchi changed her mind in her characters stories from her initial Materials Collection or even just chose to to use certain characters at all like say the Diana Fairy I honestly don't know what Banane would have been. I do depict him as gay in my fic but that is just because I use the Materials Collection as a guide for his personality

Also I completely reject your idea that transpeople should never be depicted as villains. This is the problem with many modern media. Transpeople are people like any others and just as good and just as bad as any other person. Yes LGBT people can be both heroes and villains in media and well written ones. This is the problem with many woke left series. They think that certain people like transsexual people can't be villains because it instills "transphobia." Which is nonsense because if a person really hates trans people they wouldn't do so because of a TV show but usually because of some other ideology like certain religions etc. Also a trans character can be written as a villain without the character or the story being transphobic. The same for gay characters or any other characters. To be honest I identify more with Zoisite on the OG Sailor Moon anime then any woke LGBT character created by modern far leftists. Zoisite is intelligent, cunning, sexy and has a very happy and functional relationship with Kunzite. While he was a villain he was never portrayed as evil because he was gay. Any more then villains like Beryl were portrayed as evil because she is a woman etc. In fact his relationship with Kunzite was even portrayed as a very sympathetic portrayal for their two characters. In fact I like Zoisite and Kunzite more then honestly any gay male created by any modern wokeists because again they usually tend to be unlikable Gary Stus or at worst even just victims who are beaten up or killed by homophobes. Honestly if any homophobic gang or whatever tried to beat up or kill Zoisite or Kunzite they would probably meet a terrible and bloody fate. In fact I would rather be a powerful gay villain then a weak, beaten up and abused gay hero. It is like how I once said that I would rather worship a Devil that loves me as opposed to a god that considers me a pebble in his shoe. If given the choice I would rather be a Juliette vs. a Justine. I would rather be a Lilith over an Eve. I would rather be a Jolene over a Karen, a Serena Joy or an Aunt Lydia. All though I would rather be a strong willed and good person I also won't sacrifice myself for anyone and if people come at me trying to make me the sacrifice then you better believe I will play the villain and play it well.

When you treat trans people or LGBT people like perfect angels you remove their humanity and try to make them adhere to a standard they can't possibly adhere to likewise if you demonize them you do the same just in the opposite direction and portray them as monsters they aren't. Which again is the ideological splitting common to Dualistic, Extremist and Binary ideologies and religions that unfortunately dominate our world now. With everything as either White or Black, Good or Evil, God or Devil with no shades of gray in between and certainly no nuance. That is why I say that the woke cult is just a new Abrahamic religion. They have the same concepts of original sin, shunning disbelievers and the very same White and Black Dualistic thinking. Then again as my brother says as he is a Doctor almost every SJW out there usually is Borderline Personality disorder and splitting is common to them. To them you are either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. You are their best friend who they love the most or their hated enemy they despise. You are either an Angel sent from above or a Devil from the pits of Hell with no gray area.

Which again this idea that to the woke cult only certain groups can be villains is nonsense. All people of all races, genders, sexual orientations and gender identities can be villains and just because you depict people from these groups as heroes or villains dosen't mean you are saying their entire group is. Which again just like the Abrahamic faiths and political extremist ideologies we are never just individuals we are always our identity groups because to quote the Marxist Mantra "The Personal is Political." This view is no different from extremist religions that see the Personal as being the Religious/Spiritual. they are the same authoritarians just wearing different hats and are two sides as the same coin. One group tries to censor things for being various iterations of racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobc and the other tries to censor things for being demonic/Satanic etc. Don't believe me look at how the right tried to censor everything they didn't like in the 80s and the 90s and how the left is doing it now. They even have the same enemies. Video Games, comic books, sexualized women in media, obscenity, "the male gaze." etc.

Again this is why I say that modern woke media is basically just Christian Media from the 90s/2000s or a pureflix film. To them the villain can only be an evil bigoted cis white male, the hero can only be some form of diversity etc. Just like in Christian Propaganda the villain is always a evil leftist Atheist and the hero a virtuous pious Christian.

Hell the woke cult dosen't even like certain forms of diversity. To give you an example take Marvel or DC comics for example. There are many say Christian characters some are good and wonderful people others are like William Stryker nuance. However consider this on another Abrahamic religion Islam we have Muslim heroes like say Monet St. Croix/M and even fake Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan etc. However do we have any ex Muslim heroes. We do have ex Christian characters many who left Christianity for many of the religions evil ideas like ex Christian women, LGBT people etc who left the religion due to it's homophobic, transphobia and exism. Any ex Muslim women, LGBT people in the comics. I can't think of a single character. They have numerous token hijabi characters in comics but how many ex Muslim Female heroes are there who left the faith because of the fact that her family forced her to wear the hijab or the religion's sexism. How many gay, lesbian, bisexual or trans ex Muslims who left the religion due to it's homophobia and transphobia or even one of these groups that may fear honor killing as many do. Yasmine Mohammed an ex Muslim women's rights activist said it was in many cases like leaving The Mafia. Are there any Muslim Villlains of the same bigotry and evil as William Stryker. Can't think of a single one. Hell Marvel even has characters like Dust who wear the burkha and this comic defends the Madonna/Whore concept and slut shaming that is the burkha. Dust even says that she wears it to avoid the lust of men's eyes so they can respect her which is basically again the Madonna/Whore concept that women must be sexless to be respected. Probably explains why modern wokeists think sexualized and feminine women can't be respected.

Bottom line this is why Western comics all suck as all of the villains are just the stereotypical "evil White Man/Woman" even an Iceman comic depicted these Christian Crusaders attacking LGBT people in a terrorist attack when in reality of any religion would be doing a mass terror attack in the West mind you it would probably be the Abrahamic religion that came after Christianity. You know the one I am talking about and I say this as the most Pagan Abrahamophobic woman you could ever talk to that isn't just promoting their death wholesale like say Langiva from The Black Death movie or even sacrifice them to the Black Pharaoh like Keziah Mason from Dreams in the Witch House as revenge for their treatment of her and who has various friends of these faiths as again many ignore the more toxic teachings in their faith as I do.


Bottom line the personal isn't political and you can have characters of any race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and religion etc because they are individuals and if written well it isn't necessarily bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic etc. I would rather Naoko Takeuchi have no gay male characters at all then say I don't know a gay male character written like Captain Marvel or like a character from Life is Strange 2 or The Last of Us.

Also as for Okama if Okama means Queen well I know tons of gay guys who call gay men Queen especially Effeminate gay men and not always in a negative way.

Likewise for some who say that Naoko Takeuchi might disdain men for how Japanese society treats women. I would argue that while Japan does have sexism problems like in the West I would also argue that Japanese women are certainly not at least now really marginalized and discriminated on the sex based level not like in certain countries like I don't know Saudi Arabia or Iran etc. In fact in terms of Japan while women are usually expected to be housewives all though not all do and there are Japanese career women in Japan the husband is expected to give his wife all of his money he attains from his job. In return she manages the house's financial affairs and has control over it and gives both her kids and her husband an allowance. Likewise in divorce when it comes to Japan, Japan isn't a shared custody country. If a divorce happens custody of the child will only be awarded to one parent and it usually is always the mother and in many cases afterwards Fathers may never see their children again. So Japan does have patriarchal and misogynist issues however I would also argue that historically and even someway presently Japanese women have had more rights and have been more esteemed then say various Western Patriarchal empires/nations in the past or present or any given Islamic nation at any point in history or even various other Asian nations like China etc.
 
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Does she have a distaste for them? The Demande/Saphir thread got me thinking, that while the manga is chock full of female queerness, all the queer male characters were purely a 90’s anime invention.

Zoicite and Kunzite being a thing, Saphir’s heavily implied more than brotherly feelings for Demande (and his for him?), Fiore’s whole character, Fish-Eye being gay, all of these were 90’s anime inventions and are little to non-existent in the manga.

Meanwhile while the manga does have Yuri shipping galore it seems quite allergic to showing even one gay man. I suppose you could make the case that Asanuma has a little crush on Mamoru at the most, but even that’s a stretch considering he’s clearly framed as Mako’s love interest and his admiration for Mamoru is probably better explained as your typical kohai-senpai idolization. (Seeing as he never expresses jealousy over finding out Mamoru has a girlfriend)

I’m not sure Fiore would count because although Promise Of The Rose was entirely Ikuhara’s baby, didn’t Naoko at least contribute Fiore’s design? Then again I heard she’s gone on record stating that she dislikes the R movie and that it doesn’t represent her vision of Sailor Moon, so most likely she had no idea what Ikuhara’s plans were for Fiore beforehand. (Similiar to the clash over Utena Ikuhara had with Chiho Saito)

So what gives? Why was Naoko so liberal in featuring female homosexuality but couldn’t bother to make a single one of her male characters gay? Was it just a side-effect of the manga’s primary female focus? But the manga and anime were created concurrently so Naoko had to have known that Toei was planning to make some of her male villains gay, so she could’ve easily translated that into the manga, but she didn’t. Why?

Just because the author doesn't feature enough gay men for you doesn't mean she is "averse" to them or finds them distasteful. That is a ridiculous jump in logic there, hun. Obviously Takeuchi just prefers to focus on female relationships. Cancel Takeuchi! LOL

Oh and another thing....what do you mean when you say Takeuchi didn't "bother" to make a male character gay? Her art, her choice, I say. Clearly she was pretty liberal-minded person given the other relationships in the series and, you know, her art. Is your name Karen?

 
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Also as a transwoman when it comes to education I would say many SJWs need to educate themselves on transgenderism. Because number one being transgender is a medical condition. It is caused by a person having a brain sex which is a real thing and a female scientist on a Great Courses video talked about it as well as our discovering of brain sex in say mice for instance and yes some people can have the physical sex of one gender and the brain sex of another. This completely destroys the woke feminist and radical feminist lie that gender is a social construct and the transphobic narrative that people's brain sex always matches their physical sex. You must have gender dysphoria to be trans. There is no ifs ands or buts about it. That is what being trans is and also non binary which is it's own thing isn't be trans. That is something separate. In many ways I just consider it the new word for being androgynous or liking androgyous clothes etc only problem is they can be really annoying with the whole pronoun thing. I mean I would say if you consider yourself both masculine and feminine then it shouldn't bother you if I call you he, she etc as opposed to nonsense like they, xe/xir etc

Then again these are the same people who are trying to colonize Spanish by enforcing that Latinx nonsense even though again pretty much all Native Spanish Speakers don't like the word nor do they use it and many don't know how to pronounce it and this includes Latinos who are pro gay and trans etc. I mean if you see a Latin Transwoman she is a Latina if you see a Latin Transman he is a Latino simple. Besides Spanish is a gendered language that is how it works don't like it then don't speak the language. Honestly the only people who use the word are A. Woke White people or B. woke Latino people born in America who have a Peggy Hill level of understanding of Spanish at best. I remember this one due asked his Latino co worker if he said Latinx and he said "No the only people who can are pendejxs and putxs" and I about died laughing!
 

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Also as a transwoman when it comes to education I would say many SJWs need to educate themselves on transgenderism. Because number one being transgender is a medical condition. It is caused by a person having a brain sex which is a real thing and a female scientist on a Great Courses video talked about it as well as our discovering of brain sex in say mice for instance and yes some people can have the physical sex of one gender and the brain sex of another. This completely destroys the woke feminist and radical feminist lie that gender is a social construct and the transphobic narrative that people's brain sex always matches their physical sex. You must have gender dysphoria to be trans. There is no ifs ands or buts about it. That is what being trans is and also non binary which is it's own thing isn't be trans. That is something separate. In many ways I just consider it the new word for being androgynous or liking androgyous clothes etc only problem is they can be really annoying with the whole pronoun thing. I mean I would say if you consider yourself both masculine and feminine then it shouldn't bother you if I call you he, she etc as opposed to nonsense like they, xe/xir etc

Then again these are the same people who are trying to colonize Spanish by enforcing that Latinx nonsense even though again pretty much all Native Spanish Speakers don't like the word nor do they use it and many don't know how to pronounce it and this includes Latinos who are pro gay and trans etc. I mean if you see a Latin Transwoman she is a Latina if you see a Latin Transman he is a Latino simple. Besides Spanish is a gendered language that is how it works don't like it then don't speak the language. Honestly the only people who use the word are A. Woke White people or B. woke Latino people born in America who have a Peggy Hill level of understanding of Spanish at best. I remember this one due asked his Latino co worker if he said Latinx and he said "No the only people who can are pendejxs and putxs" and I about died laughing!
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I find this line of thought kind of funny because to this day, despite widely available information and more out and outspoken LGBT+ folks are out there, cis writers often take flack for their representation of anyone LGBT+ due to ignorance, stereotypes, etc.

To this day LGBT+ acceptance is nowhere near as far along in Japan as it is in much of the west, and oftentimes the attitude there is it's best to just not speak of things that are considered outlandish or outside the 'standard.' Japanese, as a whole, are raised to stick with the standard and not draw attention to themselves, of course with some exceptions.

So I don't find it hard to believe that a very young woman (20s) in the very early 90s in Japan simply didn't have much knowledge or perspective of gay relationships between men. She's definitely someone who wrote a lot of her work based on personal knowledge - look no further than the Astronomy and geology/chemical constant references and plots.

Hell, she didn't write much about men, period. Except for Mamo, hardly any male appears in the manga who isn't there simply because there's either a woman they're somehow tied to present, or was just present, or about to be. Doesn't mean she's anti-man, that's just not the focus of the manga.