Over Rainbow Tour

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Over Rainbow Tour

  • Miyuu sounds like an angel in this song!

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Surly Bob

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Mar 4, 2004
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#21
Kind of fits with the whole "we're just here to sell merchandise" aspect of PGSM itself. You get a great show in the meantime, but you also get a lot of kinda-crappy tie-ins that go with it.
The anime was worse. PGSM has been pretty subtile with the product placement (with the exception of Act 6) so far..
 

Ailinon

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Nov 6, 2003
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#22
Surly Bob said:
Miyuu rocks. Over Rainbow Tour rocks, too. Miyuu isn't Mitsuishi Kotono, though, which apparently threatens some people.
You seem to judge the songs because you like Miyuu as an actress. She is OK as Usagi, I don't miss Mitsuishi Kotono, or anything like that. It's just Miyuu either can't sing, or the song was very badly chosen for her, not to mention it just doesn't suit the character nor the moments in series it's played at. To be fair, I wasn't amazed with Kotono Mitsuishi either, but at least she didn't sing important songs in the series except "You're just my love". All the other important songs were sung by professional singers and this is the problem of PGSM. They took actresses because the way they look and now they make them sing to sell CDs. And the acting and singing abilities doesn't usually go in pair - and it painfully shows when we saw Minako and Rei on stage standing like greek columns: pretty, but completely immobile. The songs they sing are weak or at best average - probably because they can't sing anything more complicated. I'm sorry but I simply don't enjoy such amateur work.

I'd rather see them write good songs and take some professional singers and the actors do the lipsynching - shows are about effect not about realism. Heck, what's the big difference between hiring a stunt double and a singer double?
 

dodgerfan

Lapis Lunaris
Oct 23, 2003
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#23
I really can't judge her singing ability from this song! It's just TOO fast paced for me to catch what her voice really sounds like! I don't doubt she has at least some singing ability (like Keiko and Ayaka have), but I'd like to hear her sing a slower paced song before I rank her compared to the other two! :grey:
 

daveizoid

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Oct 30, 2003
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#24
good song

I like the song. It has a nice dance beat, and would do good in a future version of DDR.

But Miyu (sp...) sounds like she is singing karaoke in it tho.....

But I still like it!!!! ^_^
 

Vivalo

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Feb 18, 2004
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#25
i think its really too boring..its the only song from PGSM i dont really like yet... ;_; ...but anyway i think myiuus voice is not that good..but her acting is still supergood ^^
 
Oct 7, 2003
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#26
Ailinon said:
She is OK as Usagi, I don't miss Mitsuishi Kotono, or anything like that. It's just Miyuu either can't sing, or the song was very badly chosen for her, not to mention it just doesn't suit the character nor the moments in series it's played at.
I feel completely the opposite. I think Miyuu-san is excellent as Usagi and Sailormoon, and I wouldn't change her for anything!!! I think the song suits Usagi (from the live-action) because it has such a highly energetic, extremely happy and positive feeling to it, just like Usagi. And I think they do match with the moments it is played with. For example, when Usagi gets on the motorcycle with Mamoru (on the act when some people stole Aino Minako's jewelry) the song expresses even more how happy Usagi is at the moment with its energetic, happy, positive melody.
Another moment is when Usagi, Mamoru, Hikari, and Daichi are all playing with a pink ball and having fun; the song makes an impression of fun and happiness at the time!
 

Ailinon

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Nov 6, 2003
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#27
Prince Endymion said:
I feel completely the opposite. I think Miyuu-san is excellent as Usagi and Sailormoon, and I wouldn't change her for anything!!!
And when did I say that Miyuu is bad as Usagi? I said she is OK. I just think she shouldn't sing. And if she has to, the songs should be more professional and more suitable for the character and the series.

Prince Endymion said:
For example, when Usagi gets on the motorcycle with Mamoru (on the act when some people stole Aino Minako's jewelry) the song expresses even more how happy Usagi is at the moment with its energetic, happy, positive melody.
And I thought this moment was to be somewhat romantic too... How silly of me :P Anime "You are just my love" (not my fav BSSM song but I guess it was OK) was positive too but it had its touch of romance. "Over Rainbow Tour" IMO is an antithesis of romance and a synonym of complete childishness. It could be ChibiUsa's image song as well.
 

Surly Bob

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Mar 4, 2004
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#28
Ailinon said:
And when did I say that Miyuu is bad as Usagi? I said she is OK. I just think she shouldn't sing. And if she has to, the songs should be more professional and more suitable for the character and the series.
Well, some people obviously think she *can* sing, that ORT *is* professionally made, and that it *does* fit in with the show. So quit pushing your opinions as fact.

Miyuu owns Mitsuishi Kotono in every conceivable way. SLAM DUNK MIYUU!! BOOM-SHAKA-LACKA!!!
 

smallfry

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Dec 28, 2003
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#29
Miyuu fits her part perfectly!

She just shouldnt sing. The song itself is terrible too, even Mariah's vocals wouldnt be able to salvage that track.
 
#30
Surly Bob said:
Miyuu owns Mitsuishi Kotono in every conceivable way. SLAM DUNK MIYUU!! BOOM-SHAKA-LACKA!!!
Now I know what people think when I go fan-girly about Shibue. ROCK ON! ( *_*)\m/

Yes, I personally love Over Rainbow Tour. (*plugplug*) I listen to it all the time when I walk to school. I think Miyuu has a great voice! It's not something that I hear often, but I enjoy it! It always reminds me of those cute Usagi/Mamoru scenes whenever I listen to it. Even if the lyrics aren't so romantic, they're cute, and I love them! ^_^
 

Surly Bob

Lapis Lunaris
Mar 4, 2004
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#31
People who think Miyuu's voice is "too high" in ORT need to listen to PUFFY. They were bigger than the Beatles a few years back in Japan and they sung all their songs like Miyuu in ORT.

Go Miyuu GO!!!
 

aisasami

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Jan 26, 2004
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#32
Surly Bob said:
People who think Miyuu's voice is "too high" in ORT need to listen to PUFFY. They were bigger than the Beatles a few years back in Japan and they sung all their songs like Miyuu in ORT.

Go Miyuu GO!!!
Miyuu rocks! Do you how annyoing Judy and Mary are when they sing in the higher pitch range. Its sounds likes a youma! So, Miyuu=heaven! (Even with her new song.)
 
Oct 7, 2003
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#33
Prince Endymion said:
For example, when Usagi gets on the motorcycle with Mamoru (on the act when some people stole Aino Minako's jewelry) the song expresses even more how happy Usagi is at the moment with its energetic, happy, positive melody.
And I thought this moment was to be somewhat romantic too... How silly of me :P Anime "You are just my love" (not my fav BSSM song but I guess it was OK) was positive too but it had its touch of romance. "Over Rainbow Tour" IMO is an antithesis of romance and a synonym of complete childishness. It could be ChibiUsa's image song as well.
We don't know if it's meant to be romantic. But it is, because 'romantic' refers to 'Romanticism', an artsitic movement. Romanticism isn't all about just love; it's main characteristics are emotion, idealism, the individual and individual critique, subjectivity, sublime things, the expression of feelings and passions etc. If you read a translation of the ORT lyrics you'll see how it is romantic.

About the motorcycle moment, I still believe ORT was excellent for the scene. First of all, imagine a song like "You Are Just My Love" being played; it just doesn't suit how Usagi feels and how she responds to the situation even though the song is also romantic. Usagi felt extremely happy when she was on the bike, see her facial expression (that big, wide, happy smile) when Mamoru told her to get on the bike and return the stolen jewels. Maybe she was happy to go with Mamoru, maybe she was happy to return the jewels, maybe both. But she was nonetheless extremely happy and had a big, positive smile. And ORT suited the moment because it has positive, idealistic lyrics ('you are the best', 'sunglasses, sushi, ocean bubbles-take me with you!', 'my hot vacation with you', 'you are good, gentle, and passionate' etc). Don't you think the song itself has this happy, positive, highly energetic 'radiance'? It might sound a bit childish, as you say, but isn't the Usagi we know in the live-action (and the 1st anime season) naive, childish, very positive, happy-go-lucky, somewhat clumsy? I do think ORT suits Usagi's personality still.
 

Ailinon

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Nov 6, 2003
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#34
Prince Endymion said:
Romanticism ('an artsitic movement") isn't all about just love; it's main characteristics are emotion, idealism, the individual and individual critique, subjectivity, sublime things, the expression of feelings and passions etc. If you read a translation of the ORT lyrics you'll see how it is romantic.
First of all, the disclaimer. I agree that Romanticism (the art movement) has nothing to do with romance (matters of love) yet still the word "romantic" is an adjective for both terms and the default is usually the "love related" one. It's because the word "romance" does not come from the "romanticism" word, but it's the other way round! Romanticism got its name when art historians decided that it was mainly about various types of human feelings, including love (but love unfulfilled, or love for a country, or love for ideals). So let's not introduce literature/art/epoch terms where they have no place at all.

Second of all, even when speaking in epoch terms, ORT is as much "romantic" as any other surf-rock or Britney song. If we speak of romanticism, it is about feelings and idealism, yes, but about deep feelings, idealism, the matters of life, death, often patriotism, the matters of the soul, etc. ORT is in no way comparable to typically "romantic = romanticism-related" art, like Byron's "Giaour" or Poe's "Raven" or Goethe's "Faustus". It would be like comparing children's kindergarten drawing to Mona Lisa. If we were to try name "romantic = romantism-related" themes in anime, we should look in works like "X/1999", "Angel Sanctuary", "Rurouni Kenshin" (OVA), etc. The works that are based on deep feelings, leading to sacrifice, sin, death, betrayal, etc. - not on ocean bubbles :roll:

I don't expect "Sailor Moon" image songs to be romantic in that sense. I'm not saying they cannot be so - hell, I can easily imagine a slow angsty song for Rei, for example, that would have a slight touch of heavy seriousness in it - but so far we've only been dealt disco-pop-with-twinkling-stars, not even with a trace of good ol' romantic sappy theme.

I understand that Usagi has a genki personality and that she was happy in that motorcycle moment. But also, she was shy and she was going somewhere with a person who was hurt because of her minutes ago. ORT could be suitable for anime Minako (or LA Naru), who is the flirtatious person, caring only for simple fun. Usagi is not like that, not in the anime and neither in LA. Usagi is genki when singing karaoke or playing with children. When alone with Mamoru she is extremely shy, delicate and innocent. That's her charm and Miyuu plays it out pretty well. This is what I meant by saying that Usagi's image song ought to be romantic. Because Usagi is - she's both, happy-outgoing and a bit sad, shy and innocent.

Notice that it is not only the "Usagi theme" but Usagi's version of "Usagi and Mamoru" theme. If it's to be "their" song, then why in episode 24, when Sailor Moon removes Tuxedo's mask, "Kirari - Sailor Dream" is played? Because Usagi's song didn't fit at all! My guess is that the team realized that ORT would've sucked at that point, and having no other Usagi/Mamoru songs available, they went for anything else, even if it meant the most played-over-and-over song there was. And this is precisely what I don't like about this song, technical issues aside: even the intro song is better for U/M moments. Now if that's not grounds for disqualifying ORT, I don't know what is.
 

Jendra

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Oct 26, 2003
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#35
ORT isn't bad. IT's my least favorite of the girl's songs, but it's still in my iTunes so I still enjoy it :D

I would prefer a more romantic song for U & M. Usagi's innocence with Mamoru and his confusion towards her should be expressed in a different sort of song. Sure she's happy to be with him, but not in an ORT kind of way.

But for what it is, the song is cute and fun. Let's hope that if she does another one (and likely she will) it will be slower or more romantic and pretty. Just my opinion.
 
Oct 7, 2003
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#36
Ailinon said:
First of all, the disclaimer. I agree that Romanticism (the art movement) has nothing to do with romance (matters of love) yet still the word "romantic" is an adjective for both terms and the default is usually the "love related" one. It's because the word "romance" does not come from the "romanticism" word, but it's the other way round! Romanticism got its name when art historians decided that it was mainly about various types of human feelings, including love (but love unfulfilled, or love for a country, or love for ideals). So let's not introduce literature/art/epoch terms where they have no place at all.

Second of all, even when speaking in epoch terms, ORT is as much "romantic" as any other surf-rock or Britney song. If we speak of romanticism, it is about feelings and idealism, yes, but about deep feelings, idealism, the matters of life, death, often patriotism, the matters of the soul, etc. ORT is in no way comparable to typically "romantic = romanticism-related" art, like Byron's "Giaour" or Poe's "Raven" or Goethe's "Faustus". It would be like comparing children's kindergarten drawing to Mona Lisa. If we were to try name "romantic = romantism-related" themes in anime, we should look in works like "X/1999", "Angel Sanctuary", "Rurouni Kenshin" (OVA), etc. The works that are based on deep feelings, leading to sacrifice, sin, death, betrayal, etc. - not on ocean bubbles :roll:

I don't expect "Sailor Moon" image songs to be romantic in that sense. I'm not saying they cannot be so - hell, I can easily imagine a slow angsty song for Rei, for example, that would have a slight touch of heavy seriousness in it - but so far we've only been dealt disco-pop-with-twinkling-stars, not even with a trace of good ol' romantic sappy theme.

I understand that Usagi has a genki personality and that she was happy in that motorcycle moment. But also, she was shy and she was going somewhere with a person who was hurt because of her minutes ago. ORT could be suitable for anime Minako (or LA Naru), who is the flirtatious person, caring only for simple fun. Usagi is not like that, not in the anime and neither in LA. Usagi is genki when singing karaoke or playing with children. When alone with Mamoru she is extremely shy, delicate and innocent. That's her charm and Miyuu plays it out pretty well. This is what I meant by saying that Usagi's image song ought to be romantic. Because Usagi is - she's both, happy-outgoing and a bit sad, shy and innocent.

Notice that it is not only the "Usagi theme" but Usagi's version of "Usagi and Mamoru" theme. If it's to be "their" song, then why in episode 24, when Sailor Moon removes Tuxedo's mask, "Kirari - Sailor Dream" is played? Because Usagi's song didn't fit at all! My guess is that the team realized that ORT would've sucked at that point, and having no other Usagi/Mamoru songs available, they went for anything else, even if it meant the most played-over-and-over song there was. And this is precisely what I don't like about this song, technical issues aside: even the intro song is better for U/M moments. Now if that's not grounds for disqualifying ORT, I don't know what is.
I agree with everything you said about Over Rainbow Tour. But I still think it fits Usagi's personality, but definetely NOT deep love/romantic moments between Mamoru and Usagi, as you say. But the motorcycle moment was just fine with Over Rainbow Tour, the motorcycle moment wasn't a romantic/deep love moment for neither Usagi nor Mamoru. It was more of a happy moment for Usagi, whether it was being on the bike with Mamoru and/or returning the jewels.

This discussion has been good, thank you for resonding back with good points. :)
 

wazzle_wizzle

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Dec 5, 2003
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#37
Ailinon said:
ORT is in no way comparable to typically "romantic = romanticism-related" art, like Byron's "Giaour" or Poe's "Raven" or Goethe's "Faustus".
Do you suppose that's the first time a Sailor Moon image song has ever been referred to in the same sentence as Goethe?