Sailor Moon as American or other western countries cartoon

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Ami Mizuno

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While a love Sailor Moon. I wonder what it would be like has a western cartoon. I wonder even though Usagi Tsukino . I would like a more balance in the group dynamics at times in the old cartoon. Crystal was better to me with that.

Anyway wig it was made into a tv show in American or any western country what would you want to see more of? I guess there would be more fighting
 
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I've actually been thinking about this lately, and I'd love to see a Sailor Moon spin-off / prequel series set during the Silver Millennium when all the girls were young (like in the flashbacks we see in the Dream arc) in the vein of Adventure Time, Steven Universe, and Star vs the Forces of Evil. In other words, a series that's mostly fun, episodic adventures, but with occasional story arcs and loose over-arching storylines. Queen Nehellenia would be the series' main antagonist, but we could also get lots of brand new antagonists and random monsters for the Sailors to battle. I think such a series would be a hit because: simple character designs will make it easier to animate; it would give us more of the Silver Millennium, which I think is an era a lot of fans want to see more of; it wouldn't be another retread of the same story arcs we all know inside out by now, so we could get fresh new stories and it can run for as long it's successful.
 
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It would have 90s American vibe to it if in the RIGHT hands. Us early 90 kids had a plethora of interesting "American" cartoons from Street Fighter, Ninja Turtles. However, Sailor Moon would get the Sabrina Teenage Witch/Captain Planet treatment and that's not really too much of a bad thing considering the era. It definitely would have been THE show though since I can't think of any girl group in American cartoons that we're really epic. Im not talking about Jem and the Holigrams or stuff like that. I'm talking about a team of fighters. It would have been more of a comedy than anything though since America thinks everything is a joke. The light-hearted nation. We like to spoof everything.

What really would have been interesting is a live action take...(please remove that Saban Moon mess). Something a little more grounded. More than likely Usagi would have been our Buffy, Ami our Willow, I would want Rei to be our Faith but I think that'd be more like Jupiter. I'd like Mamoru as our Angel. He'd be a Mamo with an edge...kinda bipolar like Princess Sailor Moon was in the Japanese live show.

My paragraph has went completely side ways so I'd imagine I'd just say It would be pretty much the same, toned down on the eechi you a though....

I'm still made at Saban Moon for letting Rainbow Crystal Grandpa get hit in the face.
 
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I think you're forgetting about (or have never heard of) "Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders," which premiered the same year as the DiC dub (to which it was often unfavorably compared)

 
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^....I think I remember that show, there used to be a girls cartoon I watched that aired on early Saturday Mornings before Fox Kids over here at around the 6 or 7 AM hours.There was also some merchandise commercial airing as well during Fox Kids.
 

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There was also She-Ra in the 1980s which was always pretty popular with kids. I think an American Sailor Moon would be made to be a lot like She-Ra in the best case scenario.
 
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If it got She-Ra's writers, that would be a best case scenario. Unfortunately, 90's American Sailor Moon would have been more like the Toonmakers clip at best, American Darkstalkers at worst. The problem is that an adaptation of this nature missed what made Sailor Moon so compelling; that for all its trappings, it is a straightforward superhero show.

I don't think everything from Toonmakers was necessarily bad, though. Cheesy as it is, I like the idea of riding sailboards through space. The designs, if tweaked, could have worked.

For all of the seemingly forced inclusion in the Toonmakers clip, it does highlight one big difference between anime Sailor Moon and Hypothetical Western show. If Sailor Moon were a Western cartoon, there would be different ethnicities shown even in a 90's product, and that a visibly disabled character would be an active fighter and not a support specialist would make it unique. Having canonical Sol System Sailor Guardians whose civilian identities were that of non-Japanese nationals would be worth it.
 
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Something darker with more action such as Batman the animated series or Gargoyles would be interesting those shows were definitely more focused towards boys but I thought the female characters were really well done and animated in a very aesthetically pleasing way. Bruce Timm one of the creators of Batman the animated series even drew Sailor Moon in his style once and I happen to think it looks really nice.



I like the 90's show as is but if we were going for something more american in style I bet there would be a lot more hand to hand combat and the transformations would be much more brief and the attacks would be more like Crystal. If it were more American maybe the creatives would go for something more along the lines of a catholic or private school type uniform for the civilan outfits and maybe even adopt the Dic dub names. Even though Usagi only had a few stand out moments where she surprised the audience with badass fighting moves it would be cool if it looked something like this too.

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I guess there's a striking difference between what would a Western Sailor Moon animated series have been like in the 1990's and what would it be like today.

I adore the idea of a more action-oriented Sailor Moon with well choreographed and animated movements. Something like the Buffy animated teaser would have been near-ideal as far as tone is concerned, albeit with a simplified Bruce Timm's design. There was no room for a cartoon like that then, though, and there's no room for a cartoon like that today (except, maybe Netflix/Hulu/digital).

In the 90's, while Gargoyles and Batman: the Animated Series were unquestionable hits...their impact on Western animation was only transformative several years later. Let's not forget that the Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, which was heavily hyped and marketed, failed with audiences at the whole "Action toons are serious now" (even though I liked it at times). In fact, as much as adult cartoons are commonplace these days, even in the early 2000's there were misfires such as Striperella and Gary the Rat. Getting something that would hit the sweet spot between kid friendly and nodding to the older fans would be tough.

There is also the issue that Sailor Moon, like many kids' shows, was a vehicle to sell toys. Even today, toy sales are critical to franchises. In the 90's, a Western Sailor Moon cartoon would be a corner-cutting nightmare designed to focus on the Macguffins. As groundbreaking as something like the Buffy animated clip would have been in the 90's, I doubt we would have gotten that.

I think the golden spot for something like this being released would have been in the first decade of the 2000s when you had Justice League, X-Men Evolution, The Batman, and other superhero cartoons not only fresh on the mind, but kids used to the style needed to highlight the action. Plus, the Sailor Moon fans who had watched Sailor Moon would be older enough to grab onto something more mature, while still aimed at kids. Of course, I'd have probably rioted, but that's another matter entirely.

Now, any cartoon that would be greenlit would be more simplified in coloring and design, losing most of the Sailor Moon aesthetic. It still could work, but as mentioned by others, it would probably be part slice-of-life, part action, and part comedy. Most of all, the horror (yes, horror) elements of Sailor Moon would possibly be downplayed or lost. Furthermore, there would be little market for it, as the fandom is satisfied with what it has.
 
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I actually wouldn't even really mind something that looked similar to the toonmakers design for their vision of "Sailor Moon" of course almost all of the character designs ignore the source material but for Sailor Moon herself the only thing that was really annoying to me was that it was missing the bows and they completely ignored her signature hairstyle which is criminal. I wonder if their intention with removing the bow in the front was to accentuate her chest area more because Toon Makers "Sailor Moon" was definitely noticeably busty there was literally no reason to remove her bow other than to sexualize her more. Definitely strange since their version of "Sailor Moon' would have been a teenager as well.
 
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There is a trend in animation and comics to "age up" teenagers into fully grown adults, bodily...but I don't think the bows were omitted for those reasons. My guess is that the bows were absent to present a simplified animation model. The bow would be another accessory that would have to be drawn and animated, and it was clear this show was going to be animated with a small budget. Of course, needlessly complicating the designs with extra lines on the boots and such means that that it the lack of bows could be a poor design choice from the person revamping the outfits.

Reducing detail may also have been one of the reasons behind removing the pigtails, although I would argue the change in Sailor Moon's hairstyle was largely for cultural reasons. Bisected, bunched hair connotes childishness and the "aging up" trend mentioned earlier; it was likely thought American kids could not take a near-grown girl with "pigtails" seriously, and the significance behind the hairstyle would have been completely lost in translation. Since it would be likely Sailor Moon's personality would change, I wouldn't miss the style as Sailor Moon would fit a more American style of beauty.

As a kid, I preferred a more realistically proportionate style, but as I grew up, I began to dislike styles similar to that Toon Makers used, since I could see how poorly shows with those styles were usually animated. As an adult, I understand it's not the style that matters, but how it's animated.

Years ago, Sailor Failures drew a redesign of the Toon Makers Sailor Team.


Even though these designs do have a little more detail than animated model would, these are good redesigns. I really, really like the way the front ribbons were done.

Personally, there is one Westernization I would have like to have seen in a redesign. It would have been nice if, like Sailor Cosmos, the Sailor collar was extended into a cape, giving the girls a more superheroic theme. Of course it might come across a little too much like Supergirl's outfit (and capes do make characters look "burdened"), but I believe capes would have been a nice touch
 

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^ Pretty interesting costume & character designs, which aptly reflect how the show could be localized in the States. :cool:
 
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I think the bows were dropped either because they felt they didn't look heroic, or as a way of simplifying the designs for the proof of concept presentation (which had to be done quickly and cheaply), in which case they might have been included in the official character designs that would have been used in series. (The project's director has said the designs used in the presentation animation were simplified/cheaper versions of the proper designs they intended to use for the actual show.) As for Sailor Moon's hair... I do agree with your reasoning, Nadia, as to why they didn't keep the pigtails, but I wish they had come up with *some* kind of unique hairstyle for her instead of just...long blonde hair worn down.... (Same goes for Venus's hair, which I feel is a bit bland. I think Jupiter would look better with different hair as well.)

I do like Sailor Failure's redesign, but I would change Mercury's hair (make it sleeker and a light, carroty orange color instead of that garish red).