Sailor Moon Color Correction

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snowgeisha

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Ripping laserdiscs seems like a headache. I sent a guy a laserdisc a year ago and he still hasn't converted it.
Yeah, I looked into it a while back and it seemed pretty complicated. Seems the easiest way would be to first record the LD to a DVD then rip that.. but for archival purposes, that would lessen the quality, so it kinda defeats the purpose. There are other ways to do it, but it requires equipment that I don’t have at the moment. So I dropped the idea altogether. Maybe somewhere down the line I’ll give it a go.
 

sapphire91

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Yeah, I looked into it a while back and it seemed pretty complicated. Seems the easiest way would be to first record the LD to a DVD then rip that.. but for archival purposes, that would lessen the quality, so it kinda defeats the purpose. There are other ways to do it, but it requires equipment that I don’t have at the moment. So I dropped the idea altogether. Maybe somewhere down the line I’ll give it a go.
You can transfer to dvd and then use make mkv, it is a free software that remuxes the dvd without reencoding it, so there will be no loss of quality.
 

sapphire91

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Damn, that sucks. I tried posting in a video restoration forum too and it seems that nothing can be done. While I'm here I might as well post this Bluray vs CC image for ep 3, it's really just so embarrassing that the left side is an official product.
Please keep updating us with images like these while working on the show.
 

sapphire91

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Wow, this is so amazing. They look great in your style.
I cannot blame toei for not attempting color-correction though. The episodes are so uneven, I had to cut like every 5 seconds of the episode and color correct them separately. because every scene is different in terms of colors. It takes ages to even try to make an episode look somewhat consistent in colors.
 

MementoNepenthe

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I cannot blame toei for not attempting color-correction though. The episodes are so uneven, I had to cut like every 5 seconds of the episode and color correct them separately. because every scene is different in terms of colors. It takes ages to even try to make an episode look somewhat consistent in colors.
I mean, you're one person, they're a massive media company with millions of dollars and the best software and equipment at their disposal. If they wanted to bilk fans out of more money, they should have put in the work.
 

sapphire91

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I mean, you're one person, they're a massive media company with millions of dollars and the best software and equipment at their disposal. If they wanted to bilk fans out of more money, they should have put in the work.
I acknowledge that, but I also know there is no software yet capable of making accurate guesses on color jumps to cut the video automatically as well as adjusting color as nice as a person could. Also I know they won't hire 1000 people to work on this, even if they do color is subjective and even two people won't necessarily come to the same adjustment to make it consistent. And their film was so degraded in color and maybe even shot in such bad lighting conditions that even stock footage they reused is vastly different from episode to episode. What I cannot comprehend is how on earth they could lose so much detail, while de-graining. I specifically removed the grain to see how much detail could be retained and I certainly do not have access to uncompressed masters.
 
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Rika-Chicchi

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I acknowledge that, but I also know there is no software yet capable of making accurate guesses on color jumps to cut the video automatically as well as adjusting color as nice as a person could. Also I know they won't hire 1000 people to work on this, even if they do color is subjective and even two people won't necessarily come to the same adjustment to make it consistent. And their film was so degraded in color and maybe even shot in such bad lighting conditions that even stock footage they reused is vastly different from episode to episode. What I cannot comprehend is how on earth they could lose so much detail, while de-graining. I specifically removed the grain to see how much detail could be retained and I certainly do not have access to uncompressed masters.
Maybe AI could do that in the future, & by then Toei would make a new release to milk the fans yet again. :lol:
 
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sapphire91

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Maybe AI could do that in the future, & by then Toei would make a new release to milk the fans yet again. :lol:
And it will still look [BLEEP], because they will use their terrible upscale for future releases, which is a shame. Even color corrected it would still be
a blurry mess.
 
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sapphire91

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After the whole episode being different shades of red, of course this happens on the preview. It was a night mare, it would have looked much better if I just redid it with the frames from the actual episode, but I wanted to try and see what can be done with this kind of... Yeah, the red shots are much easier to work with overall. Still weird how this kind of extremes could happen on the same episode. Color correcting the whole show is something only a fan could do properly. If someone is being payed to do it they will ultimately rush the job as they are payed for their time.

 
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NJ_

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And it will still look [BLEEP], because they will use their terrible upscale for future releases, which is a shame. Even color corrected it would still be
a blurry mess.
And god help anyone if they move to 4k, they already started for their movies...


^Ironically the regular HD Blu-rays included has the 4:3 versions which is new because the original Blu-rays for those were 16:9 only...
 
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Rika-Chicchi

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And god help anyone if they move to 4k, they already started for their movies...


^Ironically the regular HD Blu-rays included has the 4:3 versions which is new because the original Blu-rays for those were 16:9 only...
Reminding me of those pirated PGSM DVDs over here back then when the show was still airing in Japan - they didn't have the supposed DVD quality because their "masters" were TV recordings (complete w/ the time stamp at a top corner of the screen). lol
 

JunoDX

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After the whole episode being different shades of red, of course this happens on the preview. It was a night mare, it would have looked much better if I just redid it with the frames from the actual episode, but I wanted to try and see what can be done with this kind of... Yeah, the red shots are much easier to work with overall. Still weird how this kind of extremes could happen on the same episode. Color correcting the whole show is something only a fan could do properly. If someone is being payed to do it they will ultimately rush the job as they are payed for their time.

This makes me wanna watch the entire series with your corrections :-D Amazing how crisp yours look!
 

sapphire91

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This makes me wanna watch the entire series with your corrections :-D Amazing how crisp yours look!
I don't have the time, just tried with one episode. Maybe one day, when I am retired :D But the creator of the thread is working on it as well and seems determined.