Sailor Moon Cosmos announced for Summer 2023 [SPOILERS ALERT]

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I'm not a manga purist, I just don't like it when they censor tone down elements from the manga.
It’s so ironic to me that Crystal, which is supposedly aimed at a “SUPER DUPER MATURE ADULT WOMAN ONLY AUDIENCE” has to censor content from a manga originally aimed at tweens. :mischief:

Anyways, I’m not too worried about the Cauldron battle myself. I figure they obviously won’t show that off in any of the trailers since that’s like the big apex/climax moment - I’m hoping this means they’re going to go all out and make it as epic a spectacle as it deserves.
 

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On the other hand, I don't think they're going to show Usagi nude. At the end of the day she is 16 years old and we currently live in an era where there is such a heightened moral panic surrounding minors/children and their depiction in media that I don't think Toei would want to wade in that kind of controvesy, especially considering their international audiences.
 
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On the other hand, I don't think they're going to show Usagi nude. At the end of the day she is 16 years old and we live in an era where there is such a heightened moral panic surrounding children and their depiction that I don't think Toei would want to wade in that kind of controvesy, especially considering their international audiences.
They might did what season 3 did.The amazing convenience of white dresses.
 
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On the other hand, I don't think they're going to show Usagi nude. At the end of the day she is 16 years old and we currently live in an era where there is such a heightened moral panic surrounding minors/children and their depiction in media that I don't think Toei would want to wade in that kind of controvesy, especially considering their international audiences.
Don’t they aim their media at Japanese audiences first and foremost? And Japan, historically, has never had those same kinds of sexual connotations with nudity like the West has. (As evidenced by the casual nudity in the 90’s anime, which was already aimed at a much younger audience than Crystal)

Unless Sailor Moon is so beyond dead in Japan that Toei has decided to prioritize the international audience?
 

Seira Hazuki

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Don’t they aim their media at Japanese audiences first and foremost? And Japan, historically, has never had those same kinds of sexual connotations with nudity like the West has. (As evidenced by the casual nudity in the 90’s anime, which was already aimed at a much younger audience than Crystal)

Unless Sailor Moon is so beyond dead in Japan that Toei has decided to prioritize the international audience?
Do you think that attitudes and values in Japan are exactly the same as they were in the '90s?
 

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I think having her in a simple white dress (not her princess gown) would be acceptable. Even having her suddenly back in her school uniform would show a sort of purity and kind of bring it full circle.
I'm not sure people would be too upset by a non graphic nude 16-year-old. They could have hair and light obscure anything sensitive.
I am 100% behind protecting minors and I don't think the moral panic is necessarily misplaced with all the abuse that goes on regarding kids, but I also think there's a huge difference in a victim of child trafficking being depicted and what can be safely shown in this scene where no one is being exploited or sexualized.

You're probably right though, especially if there are plans to air in theaters outside of Japan, that it will get censored. I think I'm fine with it as long as they keep it emotional.
 
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I think having her in a simple white dress (not her princess gown) would be acceptable. Even having her suddenly back in her school uniform would show a sort of purity and kind of bring it full circle.
I'm not sure people would be too upset by a non graphic nude 16-year-old. They could have hair and light obscure anything sensitive.
I am 100% behind protecting minors and I don't think the moral panic is necessarily misplaced with all the abuse that goes on regarding kids, but I also think there's a huge difference in a victim of child trafficking being depicted and what can be safely shown in this scene where no one is being exploited or sexualized.

You're probably right though, especially if there are plans to air in theaters outside of Japan, that it will get censored. I think I'm fine with it as long as they keep it emotional.
Oh I 100% think the moral outrage is silly, but I think it's important to keep in mind. It was kinding surprising in 2016 when they depicted Chibiusa and Hotaru nude (though I think this was Kon's choice), but I just can't imagine them greenlighting a scene like that again in 2023.
 
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Do you think that attitudes and values in Japan are exactly the same as they were in the '90s?
Japan has always been slower to social change but even putting aside that, the desexualization of nudity has always been an inherent cultural quirk due to both a lack of Western Religious Abrahamic mores and also their communal bathing culture.

Public Bathhouses and Hot Springs are a big thing there.
 
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I think having her in a simple white dress (not her princess gown) would be acceptable. Even having her suddenly back in her school uniform would show a sort of purity and kind of bring it full circle.
I'm not sure people would be too upset by a non graphic nude 16-year-old. They could have hair and light obscure anything sensitive.
I am 100% behind protecting minors and I don't think the moral panic is necessarily misplaced with all the abuse that goes on regarding kids, but I also think there's a huge difference in a victim of child trafficking being depicted and what can be safely shown in this scene where no one is being exploited or sexualized.
Seriously, I mean it’s not even as if they’re gonna show her nipples or anything. It would probably be exactly like how it was in the final episode of the 90’s. If people were okay with it then they should be okay with it now, it’s not like either case was even in a sexual context.
 
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Yep this scene is probably her fighting galaxies and has nothing to do with chaos .
They still haven't made it clear whether it's actually for the fight between her and Galaxia, or with Chaos though.
I'm personally still thinking it's the latter since she literally asks for everyone to lend her power in the cauldron and Chibiusa is still alive during the fight. The difference in the wings could be a stylistic choice for that one shot to keep them from obscuring anyone.
That, and the art style/animation looks closer to the recreated manga panel of her confronting Chaos than the ones of her fighting Galaxia or Venus. Note how the eyes are drawn in those scenes and you'll get what I mean.

I guess we'll see when it's out~
 
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To be honest, I never really cared about not being able to see tits in anime like Sailor Moon.

IMO, unless we are talking about hentai, or hardcore ecchi anime, nudity in normal anime is just underwhelming.

And, mind, I LOVE uncensored NSFW stuff.

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Just go to Rule34, Gelbooru, or some similar anime porn site, if you want a decent Sailor Moon being naked the whole time content - in this regard, fanartists, and even AI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naoko & Toei.
 
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Here's some confirmation on the shot being a homage to episode 46, along with why they chose it. They still haven't made it clear whether it's for the fight between her and Galaxia, or with Chaos though. I'm personally still thinking it's the latter since she literally asks for everyone to lend her power in the cauldron and the difference in the wings is just a stylistic choice for that one shot to keep them from obscuring anyone.
Would probably resonate more if Usagi had actually built up and developed real, genuine friendships with those girls like we see in the 90’s anime but oh well lol. In the Manga/Crystal it feels like they’re only serving Usagi because she’s the ~Princess~ rather than out of genuine friendship for the girl Usagi is.

I’m hoping it’s for the former myself, for the Cauldron they should just stick to how it is in the manga with Usagi drawing/calling on the power of all the Star Seeds in the Cosmos as it helps serve to narratively highlight the cosmic scale of the moment. Any time Crystal attempts to lamely copy the 90’s anime by inserting friendship platitudes/feels it always ends up falling flat because it doesn’t have that development that makes it feel earned.


But... there's something I don't understand. Will there be a fake episode 46 moment.......... and the Star Lights & Kakyuu are gonna be beside Usagi whilst the Inners and Outers stand behind???? That scene makes no sense knowing the Star Lights are not Usagi's best friends, just plot devices in this version.... unless Tomoya has deviated from the manga, of course. :neutral:
I wish they could have stick to the manga at this point but well... At the end I prefer a better movie than a better adaptation of the manga to be honest.
I mean the last time they tried deviating from the manga within it’s strict time constraints we got Crystal season 1… So I don’t know about you guys but I’m pretty sure the better alternative is to just make a faithful adaptation if they can’t expand the length.


I think the problem was the anime, which was (especially in the later seasons) very much a formulaic MOTD series: Naoko had to create these sub-boss antagonists because the anime required them, but they didn't really work within the confines of the manga's much shorter length. There's definitely a middle ground that Naoko could have found, but she was 100% running on fumes at that point, so it is what it is.
So is this the reason why most of the villains in the manga feel like complete throwaways? Naoko was only creating them for the anime and didn’t really care about them as characters to begin with?
 
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Now it finally gives me the " I wanna see it so bad" feeling again. I hope it is on Netflix, I know you guys wanna see it in theaters in your countries, but some of us do not have that chance and don't wanna wait 2024 for it.
Yes I agree I don’t care about the theater, I just want to look at every scene whenever I want at home ! And watch every frame one by one for scenes I like.