Sailor Moon Cosmos announced for Summer 2023 [SPOILERS ALERT]

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I have to say.. when an almost forgotten franchise like friggin’ Tokyo Mew Mew gets a more thoughtful reboot than one of the biggest magical girl properties of all time you know there’s a problem.

That’s not to say New Tokyo Mew Mew is exceptional (spoiler: It’s not. The soundtrack is basically Crystal 2.0 and the transformations are very uneven in quality, like Eternal, lol) But overall it’s being handled so much better and I can only feel bitter about it. How can it look better than a so called ‘theater release’ such as Eternal?

4 episodes in and it has more movement and action than Crystal has ever had in 4 seasons.

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Lets not
Tokyo Mew Mew New has the same problems as Crystal. Character going off model most of the time, lack of frames and a very basic premise for todays standars.
I like the new show but its pretty mid
 
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As far as I know, much of what is said about Naoko is pure speculation but it may be possible that it is accurate and it may not be as accurate. I do know from the interview they mentioned that she doesn't speak to them directly and everything is done through Osano. Whether this is because of not wanting to deal with them on that level or pure Naoko shyness is anyone's guess. There definitely something going on behind the scenes tho.

Out of all the speculation, I do believe the executives are about the money. I just don't see why even with Toei doing the bare minimum that we changed three completely different styles, though since it has been 8 years, I guess it does make sense in that case.

The first director seemed pissed. I remember reading his now deleted tweet about him never wanting to work for Toei again or something like that.

Now Kon has tapdanced on out too. Both seemed very thrilled at the start of the project but by the end they both looked they'd just handed over a pot of their energy to Queen Beryl.


On Tokyo Mew Mew. I like bits and pieces of their transformations so far (mainly Ichigo and Pudding) and the attacks look nice but I have to agree with the above poster. I was watching Mew Mint's transformation....and it was the laziest thing Ive seen in a while and when you compare it to her original one, it makes the new one look like trash. It does make me wonder why was working on the animation. The transformations lack the power of the original.. Zakuro is nice looking but so short and bland. It reminds me of Saturn from the movie.

Other things I noticed was also mentioned by someone in the show and that is some wonky animation, even in the transformations and regular scenes so it looks like music wasn't t the only thing TMM inherited from Crystal.
 
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The problem with Crystal is that is not good as a 1:1 manga adaptation and what is worse: is not good as a product on it's own.

I would have LOVED to have a proper manga adaptation with all the dark scenes represented, all the detailed body and hair of the senshi, a more adult side of their characters ( usagi being a badass senshi for example and not a clumsy girl asking for salvation in every scene ), to see good action scenes with the never animated attacks, powerful transformation sequences, etc.. the problem is that all of this NEVER HAPPENED.
Regardless character's personality, Crystal/Eternal is pretty faithful to the manga. If you feel Usagi isn't badass enough in Crystal/Eternal, that would be an issue from the manga.




Naoko didn't become supervisor until Eternal and even this might be more or less marketing for the movie and nothing more. In any case by the time Eternal came out Toei already established what Crystal is. I highly doubt Naoko wanted them to make it two movies, and there was no way in hell Eternal to be both a very good movie and a very faithful manga adaptation which once again the previous season conditioned us to expect. This is what I think happened - Naoko asked Toei to make the new anime a closer adaptation and Toei decided to go the 1 per 1 route as the cheapest option. Even if it wasn't such a tight adaption - Crystal still had bad animation which was entirely on Toei's bad schedule and had nothing to do with the adaptation at all - If it was badly written but the animation was decent, you can say oh it is just the writing, but it was just as cheaply animated so I think they initially wanted to put minimum effort into it from the get go. If Naoko was as macro managing Toei won't have Luna with wrong eye color for 3 seasons, or wrong Queen Serenity hair color for the initial version of the opening, or Princess Serenity with wrong blonde hair or changing Neo Queen Serenity hair color every season. The woman gives so much freedom for the musicals, I highly doubt she stopped them from doing whatever as long as it is closer to her vision. I also doubt it was her idea to recast the characters - she was always very happy with them and praised them highly and some of the voice actress were actually pretty close to her like Michie Tomizawa. I also think the honorifics in the dubs might not come directly from her but Kodansha as it is their practice to insist on honorifics or even a Netflix thing. Has it ever been officially confirmed it was her specifically insisting on that?
I agree that Toei likely has the idea for the 1:1 adaptation as the cheaper option.

Toei doesn't seem to have a lot of expectatives or interest in a more faithful adaptation to the Sailor Moon manga (which wasn't a big seller). That's why they released Season 1-2 as ONAs.

That said, although Naoko should have little or no control over the quality for Crystal/Eternal, Toei still need her permission to adapt her manga in another media. So, Naoko must have given her permission for her story to be adapted as ONAs or movies. I guess she accepted because she knows Toei wouldn't adapt her manga in another way.
 
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Lets not
Tokyo Mew Mew New has the same problems as Crystal. Character going off model most of the time, lack of frames and a very basic premise for todays standars.
I like the new show but its pretty mid
I literally said in the post you quoted that the show is a mixed bag. I’m just saying at least there seems to be some effort being put into making it feel fresher. Mew Mew Pudding’s transformation and attack actually trying something completely new, for example. The first episode also had way more dynamic action than the first two seasons of Crystal/Eternal in it’s entirety. It’s mid-tier, yes, but I still feel there’s more heart being put into it than whatever treatment Sailor Moon is getting.
 
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I want the otaku-targeted Sailor Moon back, with its bold logo and all the camp, drama, fun and action. The Sailor Moon that doesn‘t take itself so seriously.
Sailor Moon was never otaku-oriented though, it was always aimed at kids and their families, late-night airing anime this franchise ain’t.

You can tell the story of the dark kingdom arc in 3 long episodes or even in 1 movie with 120 min runtime if you’re a creative writer. We don’t need to see all senshi awaken, the movie could start right with Jupiters awakening, telling the other awakenings in flashbacks.
So something like the La Reconquista Musical, but in anime form?
 
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Who asked Chiaki Kon to follow panel by panel in SME, while she had a lot of freedom in SMC3? If it was Takeuchi Naoko, why SMCosmos looks relatively different from the manga? Would SMC been better if they had done it in the same style from the start, with 26 episodes + 24 episodes + 12 episodes formula (like Fruits Basket)? I would be a lie if I say I don't want to see Outers, Death Busters, Dead Moon in Sakou's design, even in clunky animation.
 

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Who asked Chiaki Kon to follow panel by panel in SME, while she had a lot of freedom in SMC3? If it was Takeuchi Naoko, why SMCosmos looks relatively different from the manga?
What do you mean by freedom? Chiaki followed strictly the manga. Cosmos will no be different. :neutral:
 
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What do you mean by freedom? Chiaki followed strictly the manga. Cosmos will no be different. :neutral:
SMC3 did not follow manga as strictly as SME (I mean about the graphic). You don't feel like "reading a manga with motion graphics" like SME. Who did the storyboard in SMC3 changed the camera angle, character's postures, so you can tell those scenes are from the manga, but they don't exactly look like manga.
 
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SMC3 did not follow manga as strictly as SME (I mean about the graphic). You don't feel like "reading a manga with motion graphics" like SME. Who did the storyboard in SMC3 changed the camera angle, character's postures, so you can tell those scenes are from the manga, but they don't exactly look like manga.
I didn't stricly checked all shots but I have a feeling that the manga panel copypasta mostly happens in the 2nd movie. Isn't the first movie a bit more imaginative with scenes composition ? Weirdly it was for me the best to watch (whereas I thought the story would be less interesting), because all seemed a little different from the manga (ie a fresh feeling) and I wasn't saying to myself every two shots "oh this is a manga hommage / copy".

I suppose the whole covid + work from home situation didn't help Kon :/
 

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It could have been worse. At least Crystal is the manga story, and they could have made it "original"' by going the - Senshi daughters route or something, with 5 Chibi Usa like moe blobs and slapstick comedy to no end.
 
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I think they would have probably focused on Senshi from other planets.....it would be a little Pretty Cure'ish. So each season would be a different set of girls on a different planet which would be the worse thing ever but since we are so attached to the original team.

Realistically, the story should take place when Usagi is at rule and Chibi-Usa is Neo Sailor Moon, alongside Diana, as the Sailor Guardian of Crystal Tokyo with the Sailor Quartet. The series would feature Helios and Hotaru obviously....with the latter being a friend and guide to accompany her on some missions such as the brief tussle in the Eternal movie with Nehellania.

I'd like at least one movie or OVA (maybe even a few episodes or mini season) dedicated to the revival of Queen Beryl and the Shittenou similar to something like Another Story video game....and the Shittenou's personalities and alliances shift similar to how they were in PGSM...like with Venus and Zoisite discussing things in regards to certain things going on.

I can imagine that unlike her mother Chibi-Usa would be a capable Senshi, not afraid to mix hand to hand combat with her attacks .....of course I'm sure by then folks would be like..what season of Pretty Cure is this and then most will be like this is before Pretty Cure....


Of course none this will ever happen but eh.
 

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SMC3 did not follow manga as strictly as SME (I mean about the graphic). You don't feel like "reading a manga with motion graphics" like SME. Who did the storyboard in SMC3 changed the camera angle, character's postures, so you can tell those scenes are from the manga, but they don't exactly look like manga.
Oh, yes, you're right. Chiaki improved the storyboard of the Death Busters arc of the manga. It's the best part of the entire reboot by far.

I didn't stricly checked all shots but I have a feeling that the manga panel copypasta mostly happens in the 2nd movie. Isn't the first movie a bit more imaginative with scenes composition ? Weirdly it was for me the best to watch (whereas I thought the story would be less interesting), because all seemed a little different from the manga (ie a fresh feeling) and I wasn't saying to myself every two shots "oh this is a manga hommage / copy".
I noticed that Chiaki tried to improve some perspectives, which I found reasonable due to how badly illustrated & storyboarded the manga is, but also she tried her best as a director every time she bumped into some panels full of screentones with extensive dialogue.

Am I the only one who‘s not interested in seeing a Moon-Inners clone with Chibimoon and the Asteroid Senshi? I rather let them stay in the future/mysterious and focus on the characters we already know.
No. I don't like it either. Chibimoon is not strong enough to hold up a season, and doesn't have any chemistry with the Quartet.
 

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What do you mean by freedom? Chiaki followed strictly the manga. Cosmos will no be different. :neutral:
To be fair, there were few scenes in the trailer for Cosmos that weren't in the manga. Not exactly new scenes, but it looks like particular moments got expanded.
 
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Am I the only one who‘s not interested in seeing a Moon-Inners clone with Chibimoon and the Asteroid Senshi? I rather let them stay in the future/mysterious and focus on the characters we already know.
I wouldn't be interested in that Chibimoon and the Asteroid Senshi either.

However, I don't think they can really continue the story of Usagi and the Inners. The story is pretty much over (especially if you're based in the manga).
 
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I never knew ChibiUsa was still this disliked, especially when her teenaged form is much more suited being Sailor Moon. She's not anything like her child self which I can see why folks find annoying but she is a toddler and most of her behavior is excusable for the most part.

I can't even think of what else we could learn about the Inners that we don't already know, especially after 5 seasons and then by this point they would all be grown women living "regular lives" unless they were in fact living the life like that flashback from the R series portrayed...patrolling around transformed all the time.

With the Quartet we at least get some chance to bring in new material for the story since we don't know much about them, especially with the emergence of a new enemy.

I think it could be decent especially for a newer generation of magical girl fans who may not have a sort of edge against ChibiUsa. I think she'd do okay seeing how some of the Pretty Cure girls are.
 
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With the Quartet we at least get some chance to bring in new material for the story since we don't know much about them, especially with the emergence of a new enemy.
I bet we'll eventually get that for the 60th anniversary of :usagi: once the franchise has run dry with the 3rd reboot of Crystal complete with all the side stories and even more Shitennou ::love:: Senshi side arcs. :googly:
 

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