Season 4 movies update: Sailor Moon Eternal - Delayed to 2021 (Part 1 on January 8th & Part 2 on February 11th)

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Talentless Fool

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Pluto has a real role in the Black Moon arc and does not serve as a flower pot (anime90).
Things Pluto does as an individual in Crystal vs 90s anime:

Crystal:
- Kills Tellu
- Teams up with Sailor Moon to infiltrate the academy
- Uses the Garnet Ball
- Erects a defensive wall, along with UraNep, to stop the progression of Pharaoh 90
- Uses Dark Dome Close

90s anime:
- Stops Eudial from killing Sailor Moon
- Activates the summoning of the Grail and saves UraNep
- Explains to the girls the origins of the Death Busters & later on explains to them the meaning behind the premonitions and the Messiah of Silence's role
- After Hotaru disappears, she watches over Chibi-Usa and acts as her companion in her moments of sadness
- Plays a pivotal role in the Tellu episode by directing the Usa duo to Tellu's shop and also saves Chibi-Usa
- Goes by herself after Chibi-Usa and attempts to save her from Kaolinite's kidnapping
- Comes to confess to the girls that she'll be going along UraNep to kill Hotaru
- Stops time to save UraNep from certain death and moves them to safety
- Helps the activation of UraNep's Talismans beyond the confines of time & space.

I mean I wish Pluto did more things in the 90s anime but to say she's more active in Crystal...

 

sailormoongalaxy

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Things Pluto does as an individual in Crystal vs 90s anime:

Crystal:
- Kills Tellu
- Teams up with Sailor Moon to infiltrate the academy
- Uses the Garnet Ball
- Erects a defensive wall, along with UraNep, to stop the progression of Pharaoh 90
- Uses Dark Dome Close

90s anime:
- Stops Eudial from killing Sailor Moon
- Activates the summoning of the Grail and saves UraNep
- Explains to the girls the origins of the Death Busters & later on explains to them the meaning behind the premonitions and the Messiah of Silence's role
- After Hotaru disappears, she watches over Chibi-Usa and acts as her companion in her moments of sadness
- Plays a pivotal role in the Tellu episode by directing the Usa duo to Tellu's shop and also saves Chibi-Usa
- Goes by herself after Chibi-Usa and attempts to save her from Kaolinite's kidnapping
- Comes to confess to the girls that she'll be going along UraNep to kill Hotaru
- Stops time to save UraNep from certain death and moves them to safety
- Helps the activation of UraNep's Talismans beyond the confines of time & space.

I mean I wish Pluto did more things in the 90s anime but to say she's more active in Crystal...


I specified season 2 (Sailor Moon R). I haven't talked about the other seasons. In addition you correctly quoted the sentence where it says Black Moon.
 

Talentless Fool

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I specified season 2 (Sailor Moon R). I haven't talked about the other seasons. In addition you correctly quoted the sentence where it says Black Moon.
You compare her presence in the Black Moon arc to her whole performance in the 90s anime (you didn't specify the R season compared to the Crystal season).

I simply compared her role in the arc where she is the most active.
The same thing still applies to her presence in all arcs: Black Moon vs R, Dream vs Nehenelia revival arc & Stars vs Galaxia arc.

But, for comparison sake:

In Crystal:
- She appears at the Gates of Time
- Later on, she forsakes her station and dives into the 30th century
- She breaks her taboo and dies

In R:
- She communicates quite a few times with Chibi-Usa via Luna-P
- She appears as a hologram and helps the girls dive into Chibi-Usa's subconscious to save her
- Likewise, meets the gang at the Gates of Time
- Later on, informs the team of Chibi-Usa's sudden change into Black Lady and beckons them to go back to Tokyo opening a Gate for them.

I wouldn't call her a 'flower pot' as she actively helps the gang remotely via her powers and knowledge.

In the manga, the situation does devolves into such a dire crisis - Death Phantom completely takes over Chibi-Usa and summons Nemesis over Crystal Tokyo - forcing her to take direct action.

While in the 90s anime, Usagi and Mamoru are able to save Chibi-Usa before she fully takes in the power of the Black Crystal so there is no need for her to break the rules and act.
 

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You compare her presence in the Black Moon arc to her whole performance in the 90s anime (you didn't specify the R season compared to the Crystal season).

I simply compared her role in the arc where she is the most active.
We are in the Sailor Moon Crystal / Eternal topic.

Especially since in my text I said Black Moon (SMC) and then Anime 90. So the SMC / 90 comparison.
 

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Oh...

I overlooked this!!

Whether we like it or not. Sailor Moon Crystal / Eternal / Cosmos brought an interesting story nonetheless and deepened things left unfinished in the 90 anime.
It doesn't. It's your hunger for more SM content what speaks. The reboot has interesting ideas because is copying the manga but it's not interesting at all. Let alone deep. PGSM is deep, Crystermos is crap!

-> Pluto has a real role in the Black Moon arc and does not serve as a flower pot (anime90).
Pluto doesn't play any role because she's just a mere plot mechanism. Once she's introduced to the reader (and Usagi) she's only there to affirm a friendship or a fraternal bond with Chibiusa through flashbacks. Why? Easy. A simple smile towards King Endymion would be the trigger of Small Lady's tantrum and her subsequent transformation into Black Lady. Pluto's death would also work as such; Black Lady suddenly, SUDDENLY, remembers some words of her dear friend and almost sister Pluto (A friendship that only they know they have. The reader hasn't experienced that bond) that would cause Chibiusa to get back to normal.

Everyone in Crystermos/manga except Usagi & Chibiusa are plot devices. Mamoru too. He doesn't have a character development. He's a stupid puppet. The puppet of Naoko Takeuchi. The puppet of the villains. The puppet of Usagi. She overcomes her struggles and defeats the Big Bads thanks to Mamoru's kisses, his comforting words or a shiny flashback of his bust.

-> The future arc with Crystal Tokyo is better handled in SMC, we finally have real explanations and not just: we can't tell you more, it's up to you to discover.
Oh, yes, it's handled infinitely better with all those time-space rules Takeuchi made up in her improvisation and fell into contradiction.
Usagi isn't able to use the Silver Crystal of the past in the future but surprise, surprise!! she can use it in the last chapters of the arc!! Just because....
Both Silver Crystals (past and future) can't touch each other because it would mean the end of the universe even though there's no real explanation...
When Venus or the cats (don't remember) ask King Endymion about the origin of the BM members his answer literally is: ' I don't know '.

I can keep going. If you want I can list all the plot holes and mistakes as I did about the Stars arc a year ago. I fondly remember destroying it. :twistedevil: The forum was never the same since then. :roll: Sailor Cosmos/Galaxy Cauldron concept lovers wish for my ban as a consequence.

Don't get me wrong Sailor Moon R isn't perfect. It has some flaws, but at least Tomita avoided all those plot holes and unexplained things of the manga that would have worsened the experience.

-> Wiseman is better working in SMC than in 90.
Wiseman has a background in the manga/Crystal. That's all I can say about him. But the way he manipulates the characters in the classic anime makes him more entertaining than a talking cloak wanting, not one, two Silver Crystals... like all the villains in the manga. :|

-> Pharaoh 90 has a personality, it's not just a ball of fire without conscience.
Personality? What personality? Wanting the Silver Crystal is having a personality?

-> And finally, Chaos is not just a vapor from an electronic cigarette.
No, Chaos like Metallia, Death Phantom and Pharaoh 90 is a stupid blob. Wait, no, it's worse than a blob, it's just some manga screentone scraps jumbled together. Takeuchi's art at worst. :siren:

And finally, we don't have a Sailor Moon who wants to play Mother Teresa.
Of course not. We have a Sailor Moon with a cute personality who abruptly becomes a stale 80's shoujo manga heroine from act 6 onwards during the first arc.

In the second arc she goes back and forth due to Takeuchi's improvisation and poor storytelling skill; she's jealous then she's not, she gets jealous again, and so on and on until in one panel she realises of her mistake and thinks she's the greatest person ever and the only one who can give lessons to everybody.

In the third arc....................... conveniently and coincidentally..................... the spirit of 90's Usagi possesses Manga!Usagi. It's a complete different Usagi from the first two arcs and no, that's not development, it's a 360° change. If that's a development, please, where's the lost arc between Black Moon and Death Busters?

In the Stars arc Manga!Usagi possessed by Anime!Usagi becomes the Usagi of the episode 199 of the 90's anime; yelling, fainting, waking up, crying, being rescued by everyone, doing nothing while the rest of the cast die until she faces Galaxia and wants to fight.
Galaxia tells Usagi her tragic past, however Usagi still wants her corpse. Once the Sailor Crystals of her slaves and her husband disappear forever she saves Galaxia because..... she doesn't want to be alone! Another abrupt change in one single panel. She wanted to kill Galaxia 2 seconds ago even when she knew Galaxia had been a lonely Senshi from the start, even before she became a Sailor Senshi and.............Usagi empathised radomly just because the plot a.k.a Naoko Takeuchi needed Usagi to give her glorious speech at the end of the act 59.

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!

I prefer Mother Teresa version. ;)
 
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We don't know what toei espected.I do think expected to be a bit more popular ,but it's not failure to them

I think some fans wanted Crystal to be a revived to sailor moon former glory.As in new fans and new storise. ABut that's not what the reboot wanted or tend it to be.It was gear towards primarily at adult women and not kids.

What I noticed a lot shojo reboots tend to be for fans of the original .There not meant to be huge haras .There meant to be closer adaption and somethings for the fans to enjoy.Take the tokyo mew mew reboot.Why it did had some changes and did stretched some things out.Why also being closer.It still aired late at night .

If Crystal was meant to be getting numbers like the 90s anime or bring new fans in.It would aired on TV at the start and would been gear to a similar auidience. And when it did air tv it would not been in late night time slot.
 
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Yeah, I think they just wanted to see new merchandise sales...So as someone mentioned a while back.... basically a glorified commercial. However, there was a backlash because they did spend money to fix some of the Blu-ray errors (which is expensive )become and it got a TV Show.

I tend to side with the folks who say it did good BUT it could have been better in "our" (as in the forum member's) eyes.

I also agree with some of the critical points by other forum members.
 
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Yeah, I think they just wanted to see new merchandise sales...So as someone mentioned a while back.... basically a glorified commercial. However, there was a backlash because they did spend money to fix some of the Blu-ray errors (which is expensive )become and it got a TV Show.

I tend to side with the folks who say it did good BUT it could have been better in "our" (as in the forum member's) eyes.

I also agree with some of the critical points by other forum members.
Personally I don't think merchandise was the main reason.Because it was sailor moon 20th annivesery..So they did wanted to make something.They choosed a reboot because that's default and because manga and anime were so different.It probably did warranted a redo.( It could been executed more better)
 

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Well... let's also not act like the 90s anime was already a glorified toy commercial. I doubt an anime would've been greenlit if the main characters didn't use stuff like brooches, wands, tiaras etc. that could be sold as kids' toys.
The same for PGSM, in which such toys & other merchs actually appear. :oh my:
 
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If you want I can list all the plot holes and mistakes as I did about the Stars arc a year ago. I fondly remember destroying it. :twistedevil: The forum was never the same since then. :roll: Sailor Cosmos/Galaxy Cauldron concept lovers wish for my ban as a consequence.
I wanna read that list , could you please send me the link to that thread ? I am very curious =^_^=
 

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I wanna read that list , could you please send me the link to that thread ? I am very curious =^_^=
^_^' It was a year ago, don't remember the title of the thread. But it was very interesting.