Share Your Frustrations About "Sailor Moon"...

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DarkStarLeo

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Oct 30, 2015
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I'm pretty sure this has been done before, and this may not get a lot of posts--but here goes!

Just so we're clear, this isn't at all a hate thread. :D This is just an opportunity for us to discuss and "vent" about whatever it is about Sailor Moon that is frustrating to you or just doesn't seem right.

I'll talk about my own later; I'll give you guys a turn first! :wow:

Oh, and one more thing: please remember to keep it positive and constructive! ^_^' :D This is not Tumblr Confessions... :umno: :eeklez: :sick:
 

Zyvik

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Oct 26, 2014
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Chibiusa. Her existence frustrates me. A lot. Also the fact that it's almost always Usagi who gets to finish off the enemy. Give the other senshi something to do, dammit :evil:
 

Moonstone

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Jan 27, 2016
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Zyvik said:
Also the fact that it's almost always Usagi who gets to finish off the enemy. Give the other senshi something to do, dammit :evil:
Totally agree here. Jupiter even gets an entire episode devoted to that problem, kills a monster herself, and then it never happens again! Talk about a one-off bone toss.

Zoisite. Why must we have sympathy for him when he dies because he loves Kunzite, after he gave Nephrite a gruesome and cowardly murder? It's like their love should be put on the same emotional level as Nephrite turning good. Um, no, not a chance.

Pluto should have been explored just a bit more in the anime. She can still be the mysterious aloof Senshi, but it would have been nice to see her perspective as an older woman. Can she still have friendships with the other girls? How about letting her have a platonic friendship with Mamoru as a fellow university student? Haruka and Michiru were the two that the Inners always looked up to as role models, but how about Setsuna trying to have a normal life?
 

DarkStarLeo

Lapis Lunaris
Oct 30, 2015
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#5
Zyvik said:
Chibiusa. Her existence frustrates me. A lot. Also the fact that it's almost always Usagi who gets to finish off the enemy. Give the other senshi something to do, dammit :evil:
I totally agree with that. Guess it's my turn now! :D No character jealousy, but why is it that anything and everything always has to revolve around Sailor Moon? I know that she's the main character. I know that she's the #1 favorite of many fans. The show is even called Sailor Moon. But does she have to be everything?

Even before I became an official fan of the show, I always lived my life referring to Sailor Moon as "that anime where the Sailor Moon girl flies around and gets all the credit for everything". :lol: Don't ask me how I knew!

When I started watching Sailor Moon, I thought it was cool because the girls all have secret identities and fight for justice, but they also have lives, families, school... That part is no problem. But think about characters like Umino (Melvin), Molly (Naru), and Shingo (Sammy), the girls' families and friends: why are they not important enough to be included with the rest of the freakin' Royal Moon Family and Company?

The Senshi can't have relationships or children, all for Sailor Moon. All of this future/past kingdom stuff is all for Sailor Moon...the "princess", as she's called. Sailor Moon gets to have all of the children around (just two, but still) and gets to have Tuxedo Mask.

In promotional pictures and official art, she's usually the one in front or on top. If not, her image is always bigger than everyone else's or taking up most of the space, especially her freakin' buns hair. Even the English theme music goes: "SHE is the ONE! SAILOR MOON!"

Like...nobody else is important? They're all just Sailor Moon's background?
 
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DarkStarLeo said:
The Senshi can't have relationships or children, all for Sailor Moon. All of this future/past kingdom stuff is all for Sailor Moon...the "princess", as she's called. Sailor Moon gets to have all of the children around (just two, but still) and gets to have Tuxedo Mask.
? She only has one child.

As for me... the manga didn't flesh out any of the characters enough (including Usagi, but mostly everyone else) and the anime either deviated heavily from it in its characterizations or still didn't do a good job. I mean, the filler episodes help, but so many of them are just goofy and focused on what the villains are up to that the other senshi still come off as one-dimensional to me. Makoto's the tough but feminine one who's boy crazy. Minako is the head-in-the-clouds boy-crazy one. Ami just reads and studies and occasional has an emotional crisis. Etc.

I'm also in agreement that I hate how pathetic they made the other senshi in terms of beating baddies. I mean, if they're going to introduce a bad-guy-of-the-day system on the show, they might as well have let the Inners and Outers actually defeat some of them and let Sailor Moon handle the villains with more power. I also think that they totally cheaped out on us in both S and Stars by introducing senshi who were actually capable of finishing off monsters-of-the-day, but making it mandatory that Sailor Moon heal them or whatever.

I also hate how useless they made Chibi-Moon in the anime. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that she could actually handle monsters in the manga, but in S she's a joke, and in SuperS she's useless except for summoning Pegasus. Yuck.
 

meekxthree

Lapis Lunaris
Dec 18, 2014
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#7
DarkStarLeo said:
The Senshi can't have relationships or children, all for Sailor Moon. All of this future/past kingdom stuff is all for Sailor Moon...the "princess", as she's called. Sailor Moon gets to have all of the children around (just two, but still) and gets to have Tuxedo Mask.
I don't want to say this is necessarily a frustration for me, but it definitely makes me sit back and think "Damn, Sailor Moon is actually sad when you think about it". In my personal headcanons, I'd like to think the Senshi get to have families of their own, but canonically I don't think it happens, and that's super depressing.
 

Neon Genesis

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Oct 31, 2015
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#8
My biggest frustration is that PGSM never got a second season. It's like the best adaptation of the manga and even fixes most of the problems with the original anime most everyone here is frustrated about, yet somehow it only got one season. Can you imagine how amazing a PGSM style adaptation of the Black Moon arc could have been or seeing live action Haruka and Michiru in a long running J-drama show? PGSM didn't seem to do that much worse in the ratings than Crystal did so it frustrates me PGSM got the short shaft.
 

Rika-Chicchi

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Neon Genesis said:
My biggest frustration is that PGSM never got a second season. It's like the best adaptation of the manga and even fixes most of the problems with the original anime most everyone here is frustrated about, yet somehow it only got one season. Can you imagine how amazing a PGSM style adaptation of the Black Moon arc could have been or seeing live action Haruka and Michiru in a long running J-drama show? PGSM didn't seem to do that much worse in the ratings than Crystal did so it frustrates me PGSM got the short shaft.
But PGSM probably has a bigger production cost than Crystal. :wink:
 

Maetch

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Mar 31, 2010
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*The other Sailor Soldiers are essentially glorified meatshields for Usagi to hide behind. This hold true for most canons, including the original manga.

*In regards to the original manga, how it wrapped up the first arc was a drag. First Beryl dies in an anti-climatic scene so quick you may not even notice, plus Usagi deserved the kill on Beryl much more than Venus for how much more personal it was between them. And then it just consists of the other Sailors complaining that Metaria can't be stopped for three chapters before Usagi and Mamoru finally snuff her out in two seconds. This is why I will always favor the old anime's finale.

*Naru deserves to know Usagi's secret, and Usagi deserves to know that she knows. Every superhero needs their one purely-civilian ally, after all.

*I see no appeal in focusing on Usagi's past or future beyond their respective arcs. I care about her as the person she is in the present, as her past self is dead and her future self hasn't been reached yet.

foenyanko said:
DarkStarLeo said:
The Senshi can't have relationships or children, all for Sailor Moon. All of this future/past kingdom stuff is all for Sailor Moon...the "princess", as she's called. Sailor Moon gets to have all of the children around (just two, but still) and gets to have Tuxedo Mask.
? She only has one child.
I think Leo was also counting Kousagi.
 

DarkStarLeo

Lapis Lunaris
Oct 30, 2015
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#12
Maetch said:
*The other Sailor Soldiers are essentially glorified meatshields for Usagi to hide behind. This hold true for most canons, including the original manga.

*In regards to the original manga, how it wrapped up the first arc was a drag. First Beryl dies in an anti-climatic scene so quick you may not even notice, plus Usagi deserved the kill on Beryl much more than Venus for how much more personal it was between them. And then it just consists of the other Sailors complaining that Metaria can't be stopped for three chapters before Usagi and Mamoru finally snuff her out in two seconds. This is why I will always favor the old anime's finale.

*Naru deserves to know Usagi's secret, and Usagi deserves to know that she knows. Every superhero needs their one purely-civilian ally, after all.

*I see no appeal in focusing on Usagi's past or future beyond their respective arcs. I care about her as the person she is in the present, as her past self is dead and her future self hasn't been reached yet.

foenyanko said:
DarkStarLeo said:
The Senshi can't have relationships or children, all for Sailor Moon. All of this future/past kingdom stuff is all for Sailor Moon...the "princess", as she's called. Sailor Moon gets to have all of the children around (just two, but still) and gets to have Tuxedo Mask.
? She only has one child.
I think Leo was also counting Kousagi.
I could have sworn Chibi-Chibi was her kid? :eeklez:
 
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DarkStarLeo said:
I could have sworn Chibi-Chibi was her kid? :eeklez:
Nope. Chibi-Chibi has a different story in both mediums in which she's appeared but neither have her as Usagi's child.

My biggest complaint (and agreement with the others) is about the monsters. Sailor Moon can defeat a lot of them yes, but how about having the others get in on the action a lot more. It would have made the show a lot more interesting to my mind. Honestly sometimes it seems like the monster battles were an afterthought and thus they followed an easy formula. This isn't always true but in latter seasons this theme seemed to exist.
 

Neo King Rose

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Sep 13, 2008
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#14
Well I'm going to quote myself from another thread from days past on my
Complaints on the break up arc in R and to an extent, cape boy himself as seen in the 90s series, note the post is before Crystal came out

Prince Rose said:
I hate the break up arc in R because it was pointless, a dumb test by king lavender geez if you doubt she loves you or that you doubt your love for her after all these years then maybe she's not the one for you mister 2098 face, not to mention the stupid timing, really, right after they've gotten back together, first Beryl killed them in the moon, being reincarnated with no memory, finally remember who they were but just then having chiba kidnapped and brainwashed in Classic then only for chiba to die after being healed and memories back, Usagi makes her wish and boom the memory loss again now in the Ali-En arc yadda yadda yadda moonlight knight (which was an impovement to his character wish he stuck around in that form) takes his place until his memory returns officially. now things were finally hunky-dory in chiba x usa loveydovey land, until a new enemy appears as well as a mysterious child that the enemy is after after aka your own kid mr. I'm king of earth in the 30th century, god help us, this time could have been perfect for the two of them to take care of Chibiusa and learn how to raise a child thus making them get closer as a couple plus more focus on dealing with the enemy without the unnecessary distraction of these two suddenly breaking up the way they suddenly got together in the first place. And future king endymoron picks this chaotic time to test their love? I would never do that. Stupid stupid stupid plan, making poor Usagi suffer like that all to see if your love can withstand the test of forced separation by sending dreams to your past self right after getting your first chance to be together. They also could have ended it in the sleeping beauty episode but nooooo it had to continue like we need Usagi to suffer more, sure chiba was suffering too but what do expect from the same nightmare night after night with King Freddy Krueger invading your mind showing Usagi dying? Lover or not nobody wants to see the person you protect every day getting killed in a dream. And I'm not buying that miracle romance hogwash either, only after the Crystal appears and identities discovered and that whole zoi stab thing do they fall for one another, sure they warmed up to each other leading up to that but that was just going from acquaintance to friends, as far as that in the anime version is concerned Chiba only cares for Usagi because she was once Princess Serenity, obligated by "destiny" to be with her with the past sending him dreams forcing him to find the princess and the knowledge of crystal tokyo/chibiusa existing in the future forces him to stay with her plus protecting the world and that's it. Serenity could have been anyone and what if it were say... Minako? Chiba and Usagi would never be a couple in the anime if that was the case, I can see them as friends maybe but lover's? Not if you take Usagi being Serenity out if the equation. As for Usagi crushing on tux ha! Just a school girl infatuation, she's does the same with Motoki, the only difference is the rescuing honestly I wish Motoki was tuxedo or anyone else for that matter, anyone but this guy.


Of course the manga/PGSM is different, their friendship/relationship develops before identities are known which is the better way to do it if you ask me and there was no stupid break up arc.
 

Ami Mizuno

Lapis Lunaris
Apr 15, 2007
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#15
They lose their senshi powers so their children will be senshi. If any Senshi has a children their lost their powers. So Sailor Moon lost her Sailor Moon powers. I wonder why couldn't the senshi find love. I mean the only other ones are Uranus and Neptune who are in a relationship. I wasn't able to get a hold of the manga for the infinity but know enough. Were the Inner senshis better or worst due to Uranus and Neptune being more importance
 

FloraKiraraHime

Lumen Cinereum
May 1, 2015
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#16
My frustration lies in the fact that Sailor Moon performs "Sailor Planet Attack" along with her teammates in the first anime adaptation when she is NOT a planetary Sailor Soldier and never was! Her second/Super and third/Eternal uniforms ARE proof of that as are her brooches. She does not perform attack this in either the manga or Crystal, as she has own attacks seperate from the team. I mean, I get anime producers decided that they could change it so all five girls could work as a team.
 

Neon Genesis

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Oct 31, 2015
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#17
One of my frustrations is how few positive gay male characters they had in Sailor Moon. I love Haruka and Michiru but it seems like almost all the gay men in Sailor Moon are either villains or ambiguous stereotypes like the fashion designers in SuperS. The closest we get might be Fiore in the R movie but even then the movie still leaves the nature of Fiore's relationship with Mamoru up to interpretation, but they sure find time to throw in a cutesy joke where the girls make fun of the idea of Mamoru being gay. They had 100s of episodes of filler ins where they could have used it to explore LGBT themes more even if they were just filler in characters of the week instead of giving us the umpteenth episode of the Sailor Soldiers in their bikinis.
 

UranusX

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Aug 6, 2013
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One thing that sucks is that we never got an ending to the old English dub. I know Viz is redubbing it in English, but they're using the original Japanese names and it won't feel the same. It would be cool if all the voice actors from the Cloverway dub (Linda Ballantyne, etc.) come back to finish what they started with the characters Serena, Rini, Amara, Michelle and all the original English names. Since alot of them get together at conventions, what are the chances of that ever happening?
 

Neon Genesis

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Oct 31, 2015
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#19
I sincerely doubt they would bring back the original dub voice actors just to dub the last season and that seems like it would be a bit rude to the new voice cast to fire them for that last season.