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Eh I would argue even the Kunzite and Rubeus/Esmeraude arcs fell victim to the same formula recycled from Jadeite's arc. While none of them were looking specifically for energy, it still employed the same trope of "hot new fad attracts girls that targets many rather than one" such as the Hair Salon, Finishing School, Ice-Scating and Skiing episodes in the Kunzite arc, and the Cake Shop, Charm Shop and Promise Bracelet episodes in R.
Ail & En's arc was the closest the show got to deviating from these two set-ups, yet maybe the writers felt they had more liberty to be creative there since it was just a filler arc. (Yet even it had "fad" episodes such as The VR Game and Movie Audition episodes)
??? No judgement or anything but I have no idea how you could come to this take when we had plenty of female villains in the 90's anime such as Beryl, Esmeraude and the Witches 5 who were never even given the chance of being redeemed.
There were a few male villains who got to be fully redeemed and live after too such as Ail and Dr. Tomoe. Depending on how you interpret it even the Amazon Trio were alive after their redemption as well.
In fact I would say the 90's anime is even better in this regard, as the only male villains Naoko attempted to make even slightly sympathetic were Kaitou Ace and Rubeus, and even with Ace it wasn't much because he was ultimately just a raging incel anyways.(Not sure if the Shittenou count here either since one could argue they were just brainwashed in the first place) Meanwhile while they ultimately end up getting killed in the end, Naoko did give us characters like Beryl, Black Lady (if she counts), Galaxia and the Twin Senshi Lethe & Mneosyne, so I would say you have it the other way around in terms of how the male villains are treated when it comes to the 90's anime vs the Manga.
Ail & En's arc was the closest the show got to deviating from these two set-ups, yet maybe the writers felt they had more liberty to be creative there since it was just a filler arc. (Yet even it had "fad" episodes such as The VR Game and Movie Audition episodes)
??? No judgement or anything but I have no idea how you could come to this take when we had plenty of female villains in the 90's anime such as Beryl, Esmeraude and the Witches 5 who were never even given the chance of being redeemed.
There were a few male villains who got to be fully redeemed and live after too such as Ail and Dr. Tomoe. Depending on how you interpret it even the Amazon Trio were alive after their redemption as well.
In fact I would say the 90's anime is even better in this regard, as the only male villains Naoko attempted to make even slightly sympathetic were Kaitou Ace and Rubeus, and even with Ace it wasn't much because he was ultimately just a raging incel anyways.(Not sure if the Shittenou count here either since one could argue they were just brainwashed in the first place) Meanwhile while they ultimately end up getting killed in the end, Naoko did give us characters like Beryl, Black Lady (if she counts), Galaxia and the Twin Senshi Lethe & Mneosyne, so I would say you have it the other way around in terms of how the male villains are treated when it comes to the 90's anime vs the Manga.
Well, it was a tongue-in-cheek take poking fun at Nehellenia and would only apply to characters who were redeemed.
The male characters I was referring to were ones who did something worthy of redemption before they died. (Fish Eye protected Sailor Moon, Nephrite protected Naru, Saphir attempted to stop Wiseman.) Beryl, Witches 5, etc also never redeemed themselves so they would be exempt.
Tomoe was possessed and in the anime, never wanted to do those awful things.
Meanwhile, Nehellenia was awful. She didn't attempt redemption, she killed her own subjects (possibly an entire kingdom) and would have one the same to everyone on Earth, just because she wanted to stay pretty forever. She then tortured Sailor Moon and her friends when Galaxia freed her.
She would have destroyed them all.
I'm glad that she had a change of heart after she was defeated and had no choice, but I don't think she would have, otherwise.
If Chaos had been involved or if she was being controlled by Zirconia, I'd have more sympathy for her, but as far as we see, she chose her actions.
Personally, I preferred her as a straight-up bad guy, her happy ending didn't seem deserved and didn't really make sense. It was touching (Though I'm still not convinced she wasn't just trapped in her own dream).
As for the Black Moon sisters, their stories were touching, but they also never attempted to redeem themselves. They only did so after losing everything and having nowhere to go.
The same could even be said about the Quartet, in the anime, I guess.
And as I said, in the manga, if you're bad, you die, male, female, deserving redemption or not. Besides the Quartet (who there were truly victims) I don't think a single villain was spared.
So even though it was mostly a joke comment, I still think it stands that redeemed male characters had it worse than redeemed females in the anime.
The manga was pretty equal all around.
Dark Kingdom:
Beryl: never attempted to redeem herself. Died.
Jadeite: No redemption. Died
Nephrite: Redeemed himself actively, still died
Zoisite: No redemption: died
Kunzite: No redemption: died
Aliens:
Ail: redeemed, lived
En: redeemed, lived
Black Moon:
Koan: received redemption after losing, lived
Berthier: received redemption after losing, lived
Calaveras: redeemed after losing, lived
Petz: redeemed after losing, lived. I loved that the sisters found happiness, but I don't think they actively tried to be good until they had lost everything. They were petty, mean, spiteful (all traits that I'm sure they had without the earrings but were magnified) up until they lost everything. I would give them more of a pass than some because even though it seems Koan is mostly upset over that trash Rubeus, I think the separation from her family hit her the hardest.
Rubeus: never tried to be redeemed, died
Esmeraude: never tried to be redeemed, died
Saphir: redeemed, died
Demande: redeemed (sort of?) died
Black Lady: was manipulated, didn't count
Death Busters:
Kaori: never attempted, died
Eudial: never attempted, died
Mimette: never attempted, died
Other witches no one cares about: never attempted, died
Tomoe: was manipulated, didn't count
Mistress 9: never attempted, died
Dead Moon:
Zirconia: Do they count as the actual big bad?
Tiger's Eye: redeemed: died but was given a new life?
Hawk's Eye: redeemed: died but was given a new life?
Fish Eye: redeemed: died but was given a new life?
Quartet: all manipulated (probably)
Nehellenia: never attempts redemption, gets it anyway
Shadow Galactica:
Animamates: It's unclear how much of the evil they do is actually them and how much is the bracelets', since Nyanko seemed to be struggling after being hit by Sailor Moon's power.
Either way, all dead.
Galaxia: manipulated, mostly. lived
The male characters I was referring to were ones who did something worthy of redemption before they died. (Fish Eye protected Sailor Moon, Nephrite protected Naru, Saphir attempted to stop Wiseman.) Beryl, Witches 5, etc also never redeemed themselves so they would be exempt.
Tomoe was possessed and in the anime, never wanted to do those awful things.
Meanwhile, Nehellenia was awful. She didn't attempt redemption, she killed her own subjects (possibly an entire kingdom) and would have one the same to everyone on Earth, just because she wanted to stay pretty forever. She then tortured Sailor Moon and her friends when Galaxia freed her.
She would have destroyed them all.
I'm glad that she had a change of heart after she was defeated and had no choice, but I don't think she would have, otherwise.
If Chaos had been involved or if she was being controlled by Zirconia, I'd have more sympathy for her, but as far as we see, she chose her actions.
Personally, I preferred her as a straight-up bad guy, her happy ending didn't seem deserved and didn't really make sense. It was touching (Though I'm still not convinced she wasn't just trapped in her own dream).
As for the Black Moon sisters, their stories were touching, but they also never attempted to redeem themselves. They only did so after losing everything and having nowhere to go.
The same could even be said about the Quartet, in the anime, I guess.
And as I said, in the manga, if you're bad, you die, male, female, deserving redemption or not. Besides the Quartet (who there were truly victims) I don't think a single villain was spared.
So even though it was mostly a joke comment, I still think it stands that redeemed male characters had it worse than redeemed females in the anime.
The manga was pretty equal all around.
Dark Kingdom:
Beryl: never attempted to redeem herself. Died.
Jadeite: No redemption. Died
Nephrite: Redeemed himself actively, still died
Zoisite: No redemption: died
Kunzite: No redemption: died
Aliens:
Ail: redeemed, lived
En: redeemed, lived
Black Moon:
Koan: received redemption after losing, lived
Berthier: received redemption after losing, lived
Calaveras: redeemed after losing, lived
Petz: redeemed after losing, lived. I loved that the sisters found happiness, but I don't think they actively tried to be good until they had lost everything. They were petty, mean, spiteful (all traits that I'm sure they had without the earrings but were magnified) up until they lost everything. I would give them more of a pass than some because even though it seems Koan is mostly upset over that trash Rubeus, I think the separation from her family hit her the hardest.
Rubeus: never tried to be redeemed, died
Esmeraude: never tried to be redeemed, died
Saphir: redeemed, died
Demande: redeemed (sort of?) died
Black Lady: was manipulated, didn't count
Death Busters:
Kaori: never attempted, died
Eudial: never attempted, died
Mimette: never attempted, died
Other witches no one cares about: never attempted, died
Tomoe: was manipulated, didn't count
Mistress 9: never attempted, died
Dead Moon:
Zirconia: Do they count as the actual big bad?
Tiger's Eye: redeemed: died but was given a new life?
Hawk's Eye: redeemed: died but was given a new life?
Fish Eye: redeemed: died but was given a new life?
Quartet: all manipulated (probably)
Nehellenia: never attempts redemption, gets it anyway
Shadow Galactica:
Animamates: It's unclear how much of the evil they do is actually them and how much is the bracelets', since Nyanko seemed to be struggling after being hit by Sailor Moon's power.
Either way, all dead.
Galaxia: manipulated, mostly. lived
He didn't. It was just Ikuhara being whimsical. Wanted to leave and didn't care about Stars at all.
Having Ikuhara in Stars the season wouldn't have been much different than what it was. Only the direction and the metaphors highlighting the process to adulthood, themes like sex in a very subtle way,
so maybe it could've been 'darker' but still different from the manga.
Having Ikuhara in Stars the season wouldn't have been much different than what it was. Only the direction and the metaphors highlighting the process to adulthood, themes like sex in a very subtle way,
so maybe it could've been 'darker' but still different from the manga.
The idea that the Sailor Moon anime had an out for male villains is of course ridiculous.
Personally, I think Toei had an issue with the Sailor Soldiers killing “human” villains. Only Kunzite is actually killed by Sailor Moon of the Four Heavenly King and Beryl, conveniently, fused with Metaria and becomes less human like before being destroyed.
With the Phantom Sisters, Toei didn’t want Sailor Moon killing them ala the manga, and probably didn’t see a point in them doing each other in or being offed by Rubeus so they got redeemed. I also think they wanted to show the purification thing Neo Queen Serenity did was a choice and not forced on people. Safir needed to die. Not because “man bad even when good” but to show how evil Wiseman was and build toward Demande’s own redemption. Demande turning good and then saying “See ya later guess I’ll live with these sisters I never interacted with before” right before the final battle would have been a mess pacing wise (and him being present when the finale was about Usagi and Chibi Usa would have been distracting) so he was killed off.
Ikuhara or someone probably thought a mad scientist who willingly experimented and used his own daughter was too dark for a show aimed at elementary school girls so he was just brainwashed. I also think he didn’t want Hotaru to be made fatherless (though I think Tomoe dying and Michiru and Haruka adopting Hotaru would have been better) so Tomoe got to live.
SuperS was the only series where none of the villains die. Less we count Zirconia, implied to be Nehelenia’s shadow of her older self and thus not actually real. The Trio and Quartet both get a second chance at life. Giving us an even 3:3 of villain subgroups that have died and villain subgroups that lived as normal humans.
Nehelenia’s story SHOULD have ended at SuperS. But I guess Toei wanted her back because they wanted a somewhat more faithful adaptation of the second half of the Dream arc to set up Sailor Stars. (Perhaps it was thought moving the girls to high school and bringing the Outers back would have distracted from Chibi Usa and Helios’s story?) Now Toei has a firm “Human villains cannot be killed by Sailor Soldiers of Love and Justice”’ rule in place so Nehelenia can’t be killed by Sailor Moon or the Sailor Soldiers. Her turning into a monster would seem out of place with her narcissism and vanity. I suppose Galaxia could have killed her “I have no use for you anymore” but they might of saw those as off putting or anti climatic. So she got a redemption story instead.
And Galaxia. Well the point was too prove how pure and loving and Christ like Usagi is so she got redeemed too.
Personally, I think Toei had an issue with the Sailor Soldiers killing “human” villains. Only Kunzite is actually killed by Sailor Moon of the Four Heavenly King and Beryl, conveniently, fused with Metaria and becomes less human like before being destroyed.
With the Phantom Sisters, Toei didn’t want Sailor Moon killing them ala the manga, and probably didn’t see a point in them doing each other in or being offed by Rubeus so they got redeemed. I also think they wanted to show the purification thing Neo Queen Serenity did was a choice and not forced on people. Safir needed to die. Not because “man bad even when good” but to show how evil Wiseman was and build toward Demande’s own redemption. Demande turning good and then saying “See ya later guess I’ll live with these sisters I never interacted with before” right before the final battle would have been a mess pacing wise (and him being present when the finale was about Usagi and Chibi Usa would have been distracting) so he was killed off.
Ikuhara or someone probably thought a mad scientist who willingly experimented and used his own daughter was too dark for a show aimed at elementary school girls so he was just brainwashed. I also think he didn’t want Hotaru to be made fatherless (though I think Tomoe dying and Michiru and Haruka adopting Hotaru would have been better) so Tomoe got to live.
SuperS was the only series where none of the villains die. Less we count Zirconia, implied to be Nehelenia’s shadow of her older self and thus not actually real. The Trio and Quartet both get a second chance at life. Giving us an even 3:3 of villain subgroups that have died and villain subgroups that lived as normal humans.
Nehelenia’s story SHOULD have ended at SuperS. But I guess Toei wanted her back because they wanted a somewhat more faithful adaptation of the second half of the Dream arc to set up Sailor Stars. (Perhaps it was thought moving the girls to high school and bringing the Outers back would have distracted from Chibi Usa and Helios’s story?) Now Toei has a firm “Human villains cannot be killed by Sailor Soldiers of Love and Justice”’ rule in place so Nehelenia can’t be killed by Sailor Moon or the Sailor Soldiers. Her turning into a monster would seem out of place with her narcissism and vanity. I suppose Galaxia could have killed her “I have no use for you anymore” but they might of saw those as off putting or anti climatic. So she got a redemption story instead.
And Galaxia. Well the point was too prove how pure and loving and Christ like Usagi is so she got redeemed too.
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Yeah, I guess in the anime they were actually a lot worse. I still feel like they were naive and manipulated, but I think you're right that they did willingly follow her.
Though, I guess the same could be said for the Trio, too.
Poor Mimette. She could have been a good girl but she was just too bad.
Though, I guess the same could be said for the Trio, too.
Poor Mimette. She could have been a good girl but she was just too bad.
rewatching the 90s anime, because im translating some subs in my language, i notice
the sailor senshi didn't feel much sad about rubeus dead, they even later when happy, didn't try to help him and they saw the ship explodes
later episodes, sailor moon killed esmeraude, yeah toei change her into a dragon but literally kill her and dosent feel sad or something like that was strange she was sad for demando and saphir
the sailor senshi didn't feel much sad about rubeus dead, they even later when happy, didn't try to help him and they saw the ship explodes
later episodes, sailor moon killed esmeraude, yeah toei change her into a dragon but literally kill her and dosent feel sad or something like that was strange she was sad for demando and saphir
I think Esmeraude definitely had the capacity to be redeemed too and Toei/Ikuhara messed up big time with her. I wouldn't exactly call her straight-up awful , she was vain, self-absorbed and a bit annoying yes but the worst she did was left Rubeus to die - but considering what a straight-up abusive asshole he was, I would say it was his own karmic retribution. Even then she only ever backstabbed Rubeus, and likely due to some personal history between them that made her form a grudge, seeing as how she was perfectly civil with Saphir.
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Of all Satou and Takeuchi's plans in the anime, it is the Neherenia arc that mostly did not get changed from their original plans at least before 172, it is obvious that Neherenia arc was Satou's because of its similarities to Pretear.
I like the Neherenia arc as well...
I like the Neherenia arc as well...
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It seems that Igarashi scrapped the Eternal outfits of other senshi after 172 but prior to Takeuchi writing Galaxia's backstory along with Cosmos, Galaxia's old backstory, and Heavy Metal Papillon since it seems that they could show in Episode 187, that might explain why the Outers have no Henshin sequence in Stars.
The original backstory of Galaxia could make Stars a darker show.
I tend to think we might have the other eternal outfits in 172 IF Ikuhara had Eternal Sailor Moon at the end of Super S.
The original backstory of Galaxia could make Stars a darker show.
I tend to think we might have the other eternal outfits in 172 IF Ikuhara had Eternal Sailor Moon at the end of Super S.
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