The Hidden Agenda against Molly and Nephlite

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Do you believe that there is a hidden motive against the relationship of Molly and Nephlite?


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Dec 7, 2020
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#1
For a long time now for so many years I kept how I felt about this situation.
Growing up as a sailor moon fan I was all by myself in that situation I didn't have many people growing up talking about this topic with it would be until I got into a high school where I started connecting with people online when social media begin to take off.
And I came across many people who are huge fans of Molly and Nephlite.
There was no issue against this couple now all of a sudden for the past few years especially since the new crystal series came out I've noticed that people are speaking and coming up against them.
And I am seeing this smear campaign on several social media platforms.
It's not just people speaking against them it is people low key hurling insults against those that support this couple.
We are being told we need therapy we are told that we are gross.
A lot of the nasty things they say against this couple people are low key saying it against the fan base.
And now after being quiet for so long I'm going to finally address it and stand up for myself and other fellow fans that may not have a voice in this matter. We have a right to fight back especially when I have loved this couple for over 20 years.

So
Let's talk about the obvious Hidden Agenda against these two.
Let's talk about out of all the relationships in sailor moon this is the only one that is regurgitated and slandered.
Let's talk about how fans of this couple are low key attack and made to feel uncomfortable for liking them being told we need therapy for shipping them. Let's talk about how they bring up age differences but then they put Jupiter with him and nobody has a problem with that. Let's talk about Jupiter being the reason why there is a hidden motive against them.
Let's talk about the real fact that Molly will always be the true original love to Nephlite let's talk about how y'all trying to force Jupiter being a canonship to him when in actuality it wasn't even in the manga they ended up together because fans wanted it so she wouldn't be the senshi left out of having a romance.
Let's talk about how Jupiter could never touch what Molly had with him.
There are so many things that we can measure and bring up with Molly's relationship with Nephlite opposed to Jupiter that has no true background story no true chemistry.
Molly's relationship with Nephlite built over time. With Jupiter all we have is a little background story with little to no row buildup between their relationship they were only thrown together because of fan base fantasy.
But I left it alone and let you have your fun.
I didn't care about anyone shipping him with Jupiter. I have a problem with those that are Loki attacking those that love him with Molly because that's exactly what is happening here.
Let's talk about all the hypocrisy and contradictions in this situation.
Let's respectfully talk about it.
Let's talk about the true message that Molly and netflights journey was trying to bring to light for those who care to truly see what this really is. Which is why I love this relationship in the first place.
Let's talk about how barely know one had an issue with their relationship until the new anime series came out.
Let's talk about how we will never give up chocolate parfaits.

Imagine watching people continuously bring up and regurgitate this topic about Molly and Nephlite and then sitting here with people expecting someone who loves this couple not to stand up and say something about it eventually.
Imagine so many people low key trying to be messy to make their fanbase feel some type of way! Let's talk about how the fan base try to make Jupiter and Nephlite canon when it was actually never canon and it was only put in the new series because fans wanted it to be there and Molly and Jupiter are the same age but yet somehow they want to make him being with Molly gross. Yeah so they can ship him with Jupiter. As if were dumb and can't read between the lines you see I'm not stupid I'm reading everything people are not really saying.
From the beginning I've seen the hidden motive with this. Yeah emagine the hypocrisy and contradictions.

I have absolutely nothing against sailor Jupiter I love her just as much as the rest of the sailor scouts.
But when it comes to this situation I will defend Molly.
Molly and Nephlite were a thing way before Jupiter made it into the arc. of the manga.


At the end of the day no matter how many people don't like it Molly will always be his true canon love she is in actuality the original. The only reason he ended up with Jupiter in the show is because the fans wanted it. It has never been canon in the manga. NEVER.
 
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MariaTenebre

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Honestly they are just being jackasses. Honestly there is more canon support for Naru and Nephrite in the 90s anime then there is Nephrite and Makoto in the manga. Honestly in the manga the only thing that could see as being any kind of support for them would be that picture of the Senshi and Shitennou but that was never included in the story and even Naoko Takeuchi said it was something she considered but never used. If we are just using rando art pictures as canon well there is this one pic drawn by Naoko Takeuchi of Usagi and Minako looking very slashy and about like they are going to get busy. Honestly in the manga Senshi/Shitennou are only just a bit more canon then the Diana Fairy. It was stated in the manga that Minako had a crush on Kunzite in the Silver Millennium/Golden Kingdom. It was never stated whether it was requited though on Kunzite's part. Honestly the only Senshi/Shitennoy pair that do have confirmed mutual attraction to one another in the manga is Rei and Jadeite. However there is no evidence in the manga that Ami and Zoisite or Makoto and Nephrite have any feelings for one another at all going by just the manga.

Honestly even in Crystal the only major canon with Senshi/Shitennou there is no guarantee the Senshi will get with the Shitennou. They might but there is no guarantee. They had feelings for one another in the past which I always found rather weird but there is no guarantee they will resume their relationships.

As for Naru and Nephrite I did like them as a couple alot. I don't pair them together in my stories as post Nephrite's death Naru got with Umino and I do find Umino's love for Naru to be very endearing as he shows his devotion to her alot in the series. I do bring back the Shitennou to be Tuxedo Mask's Guardian Team but due to Naru being with Umino I won't have her get back with Nephrite. I would have when he is revived there is alot of drama as she is so shocked to see him back to life and is happy and even a bit torn between him and Umino but she stays with Umino. That being said if the Naru and Umino thing didn't happen in the 90s anime I would have definitely paired them back up when I revived the Shitennou.

Of course I will keep Zoisite and Kunzite as a couple and as for Jadeite I will probably pair him up with either Beryl or Thetis.
 
Jul 6, 2018
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I used to like them as a couple as well and loved their episodes, but then I grew up and the whole thing looks quite different when you look at it as adult. He is... Old. We don't know how old, but presumably after college age and Naru is 14. This aside, although it is a huge issue for me, is nothing compared to the way he treats her. He is being quite predatory, he is using her for quite some time. While he redeemed himself, it never changed the fact he was the so called bad boy and we all know in real life bad boys are just bad and stay bad. Naru and Umino are way more appropriate and I love them. If they did Naru/Nephrite in Crystal it would have been way different. In the manga these guys are like 16-18 at most. I hate senshi x shittenou though so Makoto Nephrite has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Dec 7, 2020
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Honestly they are just being jackasses. Honestly there is more canon support for Naru and Nephrite in the 90s anime then there is Nephrite and Makoto in the manga. Honestly in the manga the only thing that could see as being any kind of support for them would be that picture of the Senshi and Shitennou but that was never included in the story and even Naoko Takeuchi said it was something she considered but never used. If we are just using rando art pictures as canon well there is this one pic drawn by Naoko Takeuchi of Usagi and Minako looking very slashy and about like they are going to get busy. Honestly in the manga Senshi/Shitennou are only just a bit more canon then the Diana Fairy. It was stated in the manga that Minako had a crush on Kunzite in the Silver Millennium/Golden Kingdom. It was never stated whether it was requited though on Kunzite's part. Honestly the only Senshi/Shitennoy pair that do have confirmed mutual attraction to one another in the manga is Rei and Jadeite. However there is no evidence in the manga that Ami and Zoisite or Makoto and Nephrite have any feelings for one another at all going by just the manga.

Honestly even in Crystal the only major canon with Senshi/Shitennou there is no guarantee the Senshi will get with the Shitennou. They might but there is no guarantee. They had feelings for one another in the past which I always found rather weird but there is no guarantee they will resume their relationships.

As for Naru and Nephrite I did like them as a couple alot. I don't pair them together in my stories as post Nephrite's death Naru got with Umino and I do find Umino's love for Naru to be very endearing as he shows his devotion to her alot in the series. I do bring back the Shitennou to be Tuxedo Mask's Guardian Team but due to Naru being with Umino I won't have her get back with Nephrite. I would have when he is revived there is alot of drama as she is so shocked to see him back to life and is happy and even a bit torn between him and Umino but she stays with Umino. That being said if the Naru and Umino thing didn't happen in the 90s anime I would have definitely paired them back up when I revived the Shitennou.

Of course I will keep Zoisite and Kunzite as a couple and as for Jadeite I will probably pair him up with either Beryl or Thetis.
Wow you explain things wonderfully. Best response on here!
 

Tsundereshipper

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#6
For a long time now for so many years I kept how I felt about this situation.
Growing up as a sailor moon fan I was all by myself in that situation I didn't have many people growing up talking about this topic with it would be until I got into a high school where I started connecting with people online when social media begin to take off.
And I came across many people who are huge fans of Molly and Nephlite.
There was no issue against this couple now all of a sudden for the past few years especially since the new crystal series came out I've noticed that people are speaking and coming up against them.
And I am seeing this smear campaign on several social media platforms.
It's not just people speaking against them it is people low key hurling insults against those that support this couple.
We are being told we need therapy we are told that we are gross.
A lot of the nasty things they say against this couple people are low key saying it against the fan base.
And now after being quiet for so long I'm going to finally address it and stand up for myself and other fellow fans that may not have a voice in this matter. We have a right to fight back especially when I have loved this couple for over 20 years.

So
Let's talk about the obvious Hidden Agenda against these two.
Let's talk about out of all the relationships in sailor moon this is the only one that is regurgitated and slandered.
Let's talk about how fans of this couple are low key attack and made to feel uncomfortable for liking them being told we need therapy for shipping them. Let's talk about how they bring up age differences but then they put Jupiter with him and nobody has a problem with that. Let's talk about Jupiter being the reason why there is a hidden motive against them.
Let's talk about the real fact that Molly will always be the true original love to Nephlite let's talk about how y'all trying to force Jupiter being a canonship to him when in actuality it wasn't even in the manga they ended up together because fans wanted it so she wouldn't be the senshi left out of having a romance.
Let's talk about how Jupiter could never touch what Molly had with him.
There are so many things that we can measure and bring up with Molly's relationship with Nephlite opposed to Jupiter that has no true background story no true chemistry.
Molly's relationship with Nephlite built over time. With Jupiter all we have is a little background story with little to no row buildup between their relationship they were only thrown together because of fan base fantasy.
But I left it alone and let you have your fun.
I didn't care about anyone shipping him with Jupiter. I have a problem with those that are Loki attacking those that love him with Molly because that's exactly what is happening here.
Let's talk about all the hypocrisy and contradictions in this situation.
Let's respectfully talk about it.
Let's talk about the true message that Molly and netflights journey was trying to bring to light for those who care to truly see what this really is. Which is why I love this relationship in the first place.
Let's talk about how barely know one had an issue with their relationship until the new anime series came out.
Let's talk about how we will never give up chocolate parfaits.

Imagine watching people continuously bring up and regurgitate this topic about Molly and Nephlite and then sitting here with people expecting someone who loves this couple not to stand up and say something about it eventually.
Imagine so many people low key trying to be messy to make their fanbase feel some type of way! Let's talk about how the fan base try to make Jupiter and Nephlite canon when it was actually never canon and it was only put in the new series because fans wanted it to be there and Molly and Jupiter are the same age but yet somehow they want to make him being with Molly gross. Yeah so they can ship him with Jupiter. As if were dumb and can't read between the lines you see I'm not stupid I'm reading everything people are not really saying.
From the beginning I've seen the hidden motive with this. Yeah emagine the hypocrisy and contradictions.

I have absolutely nothing against sailor Jupiter I love her just as much as the rest of the sailor scouts.
But when it comes to this situation I will defend Molly.
Molly and Nephlite were a thing way before Jupiter made it into the arc. of the manga.


At the end of the day no matter how many people don't like it Molly will always be his true canon love she is in actuality the original. The only reason he ended up with Jupiter in the show is because the fans wanted it. It has never been canon in the manga. NEVER.
Most people who have a problem with the Nephrite/Naru ship isn't because they ship Nephrite with Mako (I know I don't, I hate the Sen/Shi concept besides Venus/Kunzite) but because it's blatant pedophilia. They don't tend to ship Nephrite with Mako either.
 

MariaTenebre

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Most people who have a problem with the Nephrite/Naru ship isn't because they ship Nephrite with Mako (I know I don't, I hate the Sen/Shi concept besides Venus/Kunzite) but because it's blatant pedophilia. They don't tend to ship Nephrite with Mako either.
I am so sick of people saying pedophile this and pedophile that when it dosen't apply. This series also has Usagi and Mamoru as the main pairing and in certain supplimentary materials Mamoru in the 90s anime is said to be 17 in the first and second season which would have placed him in the 11th grade but he was able to attend college due to his intelligence albeit illegally. Like say how Haruka is able to have a illegal driving license and that Haruka, Michiru, Makoto and Mamoru were all able to live alone even though it is technically illegal.

However likewise Kunzite is said to be 25 years old and Zoisite 16 even though they have lived for a long while and could be more ageless etc. They are still a wonderful couple. Likewise Nephrite is 19 and Jadeite is 18. So this isn't pedophilia.

Then again on the Sailor Moon redraw thread on twitter you had twitter SJWs saying that Naoko Takeuchi was an "internalized" misogynist and a pedophile for drawing her teenage characters and especially female as being sexualized like how many female and male teens are built but at the same time lusting after teen male characters on series like Twlight. My Hero Academia etc. It is such nonsense that the modern fans are so up in their feelings about this as opposed to religions that say allow for marriage between adult men and 9 year old girls.
 

Tsundereshipper

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I am so sick of people saying pedophile this and pedophile that when it dosen't apply. This series also has Usagi and Mamoru as the main pairing and in certain supplimentary materials Mamoru in the 90s anime is said to be 17 in the first and second season which would have placed him in the 11th grade but he was able to attend college due to his intelligence albeit illegally. Like say how Haruka is able to have a illegal driving license and that Haruka, Michiru, Makoto and Mamoru were all able to live alone even though it is technically illegal.

However likewise Kunzite is said to be 25 years old and Zoisite 16 even though they have lived for a long while and could be more ageless etc. They are still a wonderful couple. Likewise Nephrite is 19 and Jadeite is 18. So this isn't pedophilia.

Then again on the Sailor Moon redraw thread on twitter you had twitter SJWs saying that Naoko Takeuchi was an "internalized" misogynist and a pedophile for drawing her teenage characters and especially female as being sexualized like how many female and male teens are built but at the same time lusting after teen male characters on series like Twlight. My Hero Academia etc. It is such nonsense that the modern fans are so up in their feelings about this as opposed to religions that say allow for marriage between adult men and 9 year old girls.
I don’t think we should automatically assume the manga’s given ages also apply to the 90’s anime, especially since both Chibi-Usa’s and Mamoru’s doesn’t. (Mamoru is only 16-17 in the Manga/Crystal since he’s a 2nd year high schooler whereas in the 90’s anime he’s clearly a college freshman so is aged up to around 18

Nephrite in the 90’s anime looks wayy older than 19, he looks to be at least in his twenties if not thirties.
 
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MariaTenebre

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I don’t think we should automatically assume the manga’s given ages also apply to the 90’s anime, especially since both Chibi-Usa’s and Mamoru’s doesn’t. (Mamoru is only 16-17 in the Manga/Crystal since he’s a 2nd year high schooler whereas in the 90’s anime he’s clearly a college freshman so is aged up to around 18)

Nephrite in the 90’s anime looks wayy older than 19, he looks to be at least in his twenties if not thirties.
My source for this comes from various 90s anime supplementary books which says that Mamoru is 17 in the first season of Sailor Moon. Which again he certainly isn't the only character who drives or does things illegally. In his case he attends college and drives even though it isn't allowed in Japan. Haruka and Michiru do the same even though they are younger. They just attend a school for their respective ages. Likewise Makoto lives alone as well illegally. Also Nephrite dosen't look older the 19 in the 90s anime. I know 19 year olds who look like him and I would argue he dosen't aside from coloration look that different in the 90s anime vs. the manga or Crystal.
 
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Naru-chan in the American dub

Mamoru is 17 in the first season of Sailor Moon. Which again he certainly isn't the only character who drives or does things illegally. In his case he attends college and drives even though it isn't allowed in Japan.
I've no idea when the law that allowed it passed, but if I'm not mixing stuff up you are allowed to skip the last year of high school if you are an overachiever. It is tobikyu.
 
Dec 7, 2020
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Most people who have a problem with the Nephrite/Naru ship isn't because they ship Nephrite with Mako (I know I don't, I hate the Sen/Shi concept besides Venus/Kunzite) but because it's blatant pedophilia. They don't tend to ship Nephrite with Mako either.
I'm sorry but that's where I'm going to have to correct you a majority of the people against the relationship between Nephrite and Naru is simply because they are trying to push his relationship with Makoto to the Forefront. The only time they tried to use the whole pedophilia agenda against us is to scare people away from continuing to like a ship that's not only Canon but a ship that we grew up with. And if you look up their original ages Nephrite was 18 and Naru was 16 so please explain to me how it's pedophilia?
I definitely remember nauru being older than Usagi by a year or two. They are not that far apart in age the way people like to believe. He has always look way older than he actually is.
 
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Most people who have a problem with the Nephrite/Naru ship isn't because they ship Nephrite with Mako (I know I don't, I hate the Sen/Shi concept besides Venus/Kunzite) but because it's blatant pedophilia. They don't tend to ship Nephrite with Mako either.
And also like someone else comment above I'm sick and tired of people using the whole pedophilia argument. If y'all have a problem with a relationship you should damn near have a problem with everyone's inappropriate relationships in this TV show and not be interested in watching it at all if you really want to make a real statement and be logical about it.
Like I said I have watched a majority of people who support Makoto and Nephrite's relationship accuse Naru and Nephrite relationship as being pedophilia. You can't trash one and then support the other. I don't see nobody talkin about how Makoto's relationship with him is gross. And it's not even canon the only reason we saw in the Crystal series is because the fans beg for it so much. Like I said this proves my whole point posting this article in the first place LOL. There is obviously an agenda. Y'all are literally trying to cancel a canon relationship. There was a lot going on in this TV series. But somehow Naru's and Nephrite's relationship is constantly under fire when true fans true fans of the show has support them from the beginning. If you read between the lines some of them characters have been sexually active with their significant other since they were in Middle School. Read the mangas and look at the new TV series it's not that hard to see. But I don't see anybody complaining about any of that shi't. I'm sorry but you're going to have to come up with a way better excuse as to why you have a problem with Nephrite and Naru's relationship.
 
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I am so sick of people saying pedophile this and pedophile that when it dosen't apply. This series also has Usagi and Mamoru as the main pairing and in certain supplimentary materials Mamoru in the 90s anime is said to be 17 in the first and second season which would have placed him in the 11th grade but he was able to attend college due to his intelligence albeit illegally. Like say how Haruka is able to have a illegal driving license and that Haruka, Michiru, Makoto and Mamoru were all able to live alone even though it is technically illegal.

However likewise Kunzite is said to be 25 years old and Zoisite 16 even though they have lived for a long while and could be more ageless etc. They are still a wonderful couple. Likewise Nephrite is 19 and Jadeite is 18. So this isn't pedophilia.

Then again on the Sailor Moon redraw thread on twitter you had twitter SJWs saying that Naoko Takeuchi was an "internalized" misogynist and a pedophile for drawing her teenage characters and especially female as being sexualized like how many female and male teens are built but at the same time lusting after teen male characters on series like Twlight. My Hero Academia etc. It is such nonsense that the modern fans are so up in their feelings about this as opposed to religions that say allow for marriage between adult men and 9 year old girls.
Them bringing up the pedophilia argument basically proved my point as to why I posted this article in the first place. Out of all the inappropriate things going on in that TV show somehow not ruin that flight relationship is under fire? But yet people want to claim there's no agenda when there is obviously an agenda and I watched it play out for the past few years now. Sitting back taking notes and being quiet until now. I'm not stupid they want to trash Naru and Nephrite's relationship in favor of Makoto and Nephrite. When them being together in all honesty has never been Canon. The pictures with the Sailor Scouts and the dark kingdom soldiers was just concept art. The reason why Makoto and Nephrite are together now in the series is because fan beged for it. Where were all these people crying pedophilia to stop that from happening? What happened to the pedophilia is used before they decided to want to ship them. When if I'm not mistaken Naru is older than Makoto. So please make it make sense. Ain't nobody stupid around here. LOL
 
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I'm not sure I have much to add to this conversation, and I might be wrong anyway. Maybe there's somebody here who actually lives in Japan who could answer this. However, from what I understand of their culture and legal system, is that the age of consent (sexually) is 14, and has a two-year range. For example, a 14 year old could sleep with anyone up to 16, but a 16 year old can sleep with anyone from 14-18 (two years on either side, but the age of consent for simply dating is different. Anyone 14 and up can date anybode over the age of 14, as long as there's no intimacy. If the other person is over 18, they need the parent's permission. In fact, at one time, Japanese parent's would marry their young daughters off to older, financially well-established males. Though the practice has been abandoned, for the most part, it's still a part of their cultural mindset.

The thing is, cultures and legal systems differ world-wide, and people have to be careful not to judge things while considering only their local ideals. I won't pretend to say what is right and wrong because clearly there are local issues to consider, you can decide that for yourself.

Again, please, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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