What I don't like about Stars...

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There's a lot things people don't like about Sailor Stars, and I agree with some of them, but what bugs me most about Stars is this.

I don't like the idea of having a Sailor Guardian for every planet.

Up until Stars, it's implied that the Sailor Guardians were exclusive to the Solar System and connected directly with the Moon Kingdom itself. After all, there was no Sailor Nemesis, for instance, and for all of the extra-terrestrial threats that came to earth, none of them were balanced by actual heroes. It was strongly implied that this Earth and this solar system were the center of "good." It makes sense that the Sailor Guardians were to protect their princess, as that is what a Sailor Guardian does. Personal defense force and a defender with an allegiance to both an old kingdom and a new one.

But Stars changes this, breaking the connection between Guardians and the Moon Kingdom irrevocably. It changes what it means to be a Sailor Guardian, turning it from a Moon Kingdom holdover and a link to the past to a sailor-collared cop. It also makes out heroes seem a lot less special, since there are more planets than you can shake a stick at. It seems like it goes against the very foundation of the series, that the warriors from the past were sent to the present with a purpose. Stars reveals the characters to be members of just another club, no better than the Three Lights fan club. It's a cheat that comes too late in the series for me to care about.
 
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1. 95-98 percent of Phages are nearly useless.

2. Starlights get 2 transformations and attacks when that should have gone to the Outers most especially Saturn.

3. Saturn is there. But where was she during the filler episodes. She's not that useless.

4. Don't like the eternal forms.

5. Maker's name. Reminds me of baby or bed maker.

6. Maker's attack. No need to explain this one.

7. Galactica Tsunami is a joke attack.
 
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Nangbaby said:
There's a lot things people don't like about Sailor Stars, and I agree with some of them, but what bugs me most about Stars is this.

I don't like the idea of having a Sailor Guardian for every planet.

Up until Stars, it's implied that the Sailor Guardians were exclusive to the Solar System and connected directly with the Moon Kingdom itself. After all, there was no Sailor Nemesis, for instance,
To be fair, they did say that Nemesis remained largely undetected until the 30th Century, so its protector, if it has/had one, he/she would have been unknown. And, since Death Phantom became essentially linked to Nemesis, it's possible that he is/became the protector of Nemesis. ;)

Nangbaby said:
and for all of the extra-terrestrial threats that came to earth, none of them were balanced by actual heroes. It was strongly implied that this Earth and this solar system were the center of "good." It makes sense that the Sailor Guardians were to protect their princess, as that is what a Sailor Guardian does. Personal defense force and a defender with an allegiance to both an old kingdom and a new one.

But Stars changes this, breaking the connection between Guardians and the Moon Kingdom irrevocably. It changes what it means to be a Sailor Guardian, turning it from a Moon Kingdom holdover and a link to the past to a sailor-collared cop. It also makes out heroes seem a lot less special, since there are more planets than you can shake a stick at. It seems like it goes against the very foundation of the series, that the warriors from the past were sent to the present with a purpose. Stars reveals the characters to be members of just another club, no better than the Three Lights fan club. It's a cheat that comes too late in the series for me to care about.
Then again, up until the Stars arc/Sailor Stars anime, it was never explicitly stated that the Sailor Soldiers were an exclusive unit of the Moon Kingdom. Plus, those ones are formally referred to as the "Sailor Team", whereas any other Sailor Soldier is just another Soldier.

But, there is a greater significance of the Sailor Soldiers revealed in this final story: They are guardians of life itself. Chaos is the ultimate source of all evil and the sworn enemy of all Sailor Soldiers. The revelation of his manipulation of everything from behind the scenes the entire time created an extra layer of depth to the overall story, making the stakes higher, the scale grander, and more important than ever before. The Sailor Wars were a struggle over life itself, and to bring the Sailor Team into the existing conflict made their value to the story all the more precious. :)
 

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Nangbaby said:
There's a lot things people don't like about Sailor Stars, and I agree with some of them, but what bugs me most about Stars is this.

I don't like the idea of having a Sailor Guardian for every planet.

Up until Stars, it's implied that the Sailor Guardians were exclusive to the Solar System and connected directly with the Moon Kingdom itself. After all, there was no Sailor Nemesis, for instance, and for all of the extra-terrestrial threats that came to earth, none of them were balanced by actual heroes. It was strongly implied that this Earth and this solar system were the center of "good." It makes sense that the Sailor Guardians were to protect their princess, as that is what a Sailor Guardian does. Personal defense force and a defender with an allegiance to both an old kingdom and a new one.

But Stars changes this, breaking the connection between Guardians and the Moon Kingdom irrevocably. It changes what it means to be a Sailor Guardian, turning it from a Moon Kingdom holdover and a link to the past to a sailor-collared cop. It also makes out heroes seem a lot less special, since there are more planets than you can shake a stick at. It seems like it goes against the very foundation of the series, that the warriors from the past were sent to the present with a purpose. Stars reveals the characters to be members of just another club, no better than the Three Lights fan club. It's a cheat that comes too late in the series for me to care about.
First of all it was never implied that the Sailor Guardians were exclusive to the Solar System. The only soldiers we got to see were from the Moon Kingdom but that does not mean that there were some who were not connected to the Moon Kingdom. After all Tuxedo Kamen was Earth's senshi and his kingdom was not connected to the Moon Kingdom. Further more just because we did not get to see a Sailor Nemesis does not mean that one does not exist. After all we never got to see a Sailor Sun or senshi for the moons of the planets aside from Mars's moons but that does not mean that they do not exist. The Earth was never seen as the center of good as we saw good aliens from many planets.

There was never a link between all Sailor Guardians and the Moon Kingdom for as I said Tuxedo Kamen was a senshi and his kingdom was not related to the Moon Kingdom. The Moon Kingdom guardians were never meant to be special. Honestly that seems just as arrogant as people who assume that humans are the only intelligent life in the universe. It was always assumed especially by Tuxedo Kamen that there were other senshi in the Universe tied with their own princesses and princes. Besides having the senshi to be a universal phenomena makes them more special. It makes them apart of an agless and universal celestial warriors where as them being unique to the solar system makes them nothing more then particularly powerful soldiers.

It is not a cheat it is just simply following logical conclusions that there would be Sailor Soldiers with nothing to do with the Moon Kingdom which was shown in all seasons. Just as Earth should not be special enough to be the only planet with intelligent life so too should the Moon Kingdom not be the only group with senshi to assume so would be just arrogance.
 

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Nangbaby said:
It was strongly implied that this Earth and this solar system were the center of "good."
More like the center of the Evil. During the Silver Millennium, the Earth was barbarian and divided into kingdoms warring with each other. People from the Moon (who lived under an artificial transparent dome, which suggests they were aliens taking the satellite over at some point in the past and not indigenous population) tried to improve and influence people from the Earth in a positive way. Metaria was a demon originating from the Sun, and thus an indigenous creature of the Solar System.
 

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Maraviollantes said:
Nangbaby said:
It was strongly implied that this Earth and this solar system were the center of "good."
During the Silver Millennium, the Earth was barbarian and divided into kingdoms warring with each other. People from the Moon (who lived under an artificial transparent dome, which suggests they were aliens taking the satellite over at some point in the past and not indigenous population) tried to improve and influence people from the Earth in a positive way. Metaria was a demon originating from the Sun, and thus an indigenous creature of the Solar System. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that originally the Solar System was the center of Evil, and extra-terrestrial invaders (Queen Serenity and others) tried to turn it into a good one?
A brilliant inference on the canon (bordering on fanon) but almost directly the opposite of Nagbaby's silliness - the best pieces of fiction aren't so much about good vs evil so much as they are about the moral relativity in between. I wish Takeuchi's vision was a little closer to that as opposed to her starry eyed "Everything's Better with Princesses" pink sugar that made even some of the darkest moments a little saccharine.

Consider PGSM where Princess Serenity's love made her obsessed and the Four Generals are more than cardboard cut out villains. I also liked that in that medium there were hints of the rest of the continuity in the first plot (Metaria and P-Moon being "connected" echoed Chaos and Cosmos; the episode where Rei and Mako team up referenced the exam battles and Casablanca memory; I remembering "squeeing" when I saw a depressed Rei in a white dress to meet her father) This was clearly a benefit the live action had since it's source material was all finished whereas the anime had to make up canon as went along simultaneously with the manga's initial run.
 
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Sailor Capricorn said:
I like it that there is a senshi for every planet. It gives a lot of possibilities for otaku senshi.
Yes, it does, but the point of plot developments aren't to allow fans to create more material. Once you start thinking about it, the whole series starts suffering because of this revelation. Why didn't Luna or Artemis say anything? Why didn't we see any other Sailor Guardians until the final season even when there were enemies from planets outside the Solar System? Why didn't the other Sailor Guardians investigate what was going on in the Moon Kingdom or after the fact? What does this mean for our Solar System Sailor Guardians afterwards? Will they have to travel to other worlds to help out with the other Guardians' messes? Will the other Guardians that are left share what they know?


Sabrblade said:
To be fair, they did say that Nemesis remained largely undetected until the 30th Century, so its protector, if it has/had one/ would have been unknown. And, since Death Phantom became essentially linked to Nemesis, it's possible that he is the protector of Nemesis. ;)
All of the planets that make up the Solar System are uninhabited and it's implied that this was even the case in the Silver Millennium. So that wouldn't have prevented there from being one for Nemesis in the first place.

Instead of changing Chibiusa to Black Lady, Wiseman should have infused her with the power to become Sailor Nemesis. Or he could have mentioned he killed Nemesis' protector, since after all, he's facing the Guardians of the other planets. Then, at least there'd be an established idea that these other planets have their own Guardians, too.

Sabrblade said:
Then again, up until the Stars arc/Sailor Stars anime, it was never explicitly stated that the Sailor Soldiers were an exclusive unit of the Moon Kingdom. Plus, those ones are formally referred to as the "Sailor Team", whereas any other Sailor Soldier is just another Soldier.
I know it was never explicitly stated, just as it's never explicitly stated that Usagi doesn't have a twin sister nobody knows about and was brainwashed into forgetting who was sent to another universe. But given how heavily their powers tie into their past loves, this connection is implicit, especially with the Princess forms in the manga.


Sabrblade said:
But, there is a greater significance of the Sailor Soldiers revealed in this final story: They are guardians of life itself. Chaos is the ultimate source of all evil and the sworn enemy of all Sailor Soldiers. The revelation of his manipulation of everything from behind the scenes the entire time created an extra layer of depth to the overall story, making the stakes higher, the scale grander, and more important than ever before. The Sailor Wars were a struggle over life itself, and to bring the Sailor Team into the existing conflict made their value to the story all the more precious. :)
Except, it's pulled completely from thin air. Like the Black Star Dragon Balls or, more analogously the evil Shadow Dragons from DBGT. While these developments are attempts to add consequence to the events earlier in the series, they come out of the blue and too late to mean anything.

If this were the endgame, it should have been handled the way it was in ReBoot. It was established that Bob was a Guardian*, one of many, but for a large part of the series, he worked without the aid of other Guardians in Mainframe. Yet that thread of him being one of many was kept open long enough that when the really Big Bad did come in and the greater Net-wide implications arose, it wasn't completely out of the blue.

On the other hand, Sailor Moon slowly adds members of its group in a relatively logical procession (even if it did start stretching continuity in terms of the backstory), then turns into Green Lantern for the last story arc, and adds several layers of retcon on top if it.

I mean, we go from Nehellenia, who was directly tied to Queen Serenity and the Silver Millennium in the manga and was tangentially tied with the past even in the anime, to some interstellar/intragalatic war that makes the Sailors into warriors for this grand conflict that no one knew existed. Either establish this from the start (why I like the dub's "Negaverse/Negaforce"), or at least throw some links or hints to this in the preceding material to this final over reaching arc...or extend the series longer to explore this concept. Instead, there is no groundwork laid and not time given to develop this concept into a satisfying conclusion.

The problem with this is that it's obviously bad writing that is a slap in the face to the audience, even in the anime which does not take itself that seriously. If this were a fanfic, someone would be called on it. Since it happens in the manga and the anime, viewers give it a pass.


Maraviollantes said:
More like the center of the Evil. During the Silver Millennium, the Earth was barbarian and divided into kingdoms warring with each other. People from the Moon (who lived under an artificial transparent dome, which suggests they were aliens taking the satellite over at some point in the past and not indigenous population) tried to improve and influence people from the Earth in a positive way. Metaria was a demon originating from the Sun, and thus an indigenous creature of the Solar System.
You've got a point, albeit a picky one. I mean, the Solar System/Moon itself was seen as the good, and the warriors were reincarnated on Earth, thus in the present fighting for Earth as well. Not unless you want to say Tuxedo Mask and humans are not merely prone to evil tendencies at times but are indeed plain evil.


*For those not in the know, yes, that what his "format" (job title) was.
 
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haifen said:
A brilliant inference on the canon (bordering on fanon) but almost directly the opposite of Nagbaby's silliness - the best pieces of fiction aren't so much about good vs evil so much as they are about the moral relativity in between. I wish Takeuchi's vision was a little closer to that as opposed to her starry eyed "Everything's Better with Princesses" pink sugar that made even some of the darkest moments a little saccharine.
How the heck is that the opposite of my "silliness?"

haifen said:
Consider PGSM where Princess Serenity's love made her obsessed and the Four Generals are more than cardboard cut out villains. I also liked that in that medium there were hints of the rest of the continuity in the first plot (Metaria and P-Moon being "connected" echoed Chaos and Cosmos; the episode where Rei and Mako team up referenced the exam battles and Casablanca memory; I remembering "squeeing" when I saw a depressed Rei in a white dress to meet her father) This was clearly a benefit the live action had since it's source material was all finished whereas the anime had to make up canon as went along simultaneously with the manga's initial run.
And so...I'm failing to see how this is relevant to whether the conclusion of the anime was fitting. PGSM was its own continuity.
 

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haifen said:
A brilliant inference on the canon (bordering on fanon) but almost directly the opposite of Nagbaby's silliness - the best pieces of fiction aren't so much about good vs evil so much as they are about the moral relativity in between. I wish Takeuchi's vision was a little closer to that as opposed to her starry eyed "Everything's Better with Princesses" pink sugar that made even some of the darkest moments a little saccharine.
This is why I like the S series. It's the most morally-focused chapter of the entire storyline.

The first two chapters focus too much on the past and the future, respectively, but S is the most important because it does away with the entire Serenity plotline and instead focuses on Usagi as she exists in the present. We learn that she stands by her beliefs as a person and a superhero and how she will never be swayed to break them, even when both the Death Busters and the Outer Sailors try to prove otherwise. Stars tries to replicate this feeling, but the universal scope doesn't have the same impact.
 
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haifen said:
A brilliant inference on the canon (bordering on fanon) but almost directly the opposite of Nagbaby's silliness - the best pieces of fiction aren't so much about good vs evil so much as they are about the moral relativity in between. I wish Takeuchi's vision was a little closer to that as opposed to her starry eyed "Everything's Better with Princesses" pink sugar that made even some of the darkest moments a little saccharine.
This is why I like the S series. It's the most morally-focused chapter of the entire storyline.

The first two chapters focus too much on the past and the future, respectively, but S is the most important because it does away with the entire Serenity plotline and instead focuses on Usagi as she exists in the present. We learn that she stands by her beliefs as a person and a superhero and how she will never be swayed to break them, even when both the Death Busters and the Outer Sailors try to prove otherwise. Stars tries to replicate this feeling, but the universal scope doesn't have the same impact.
I will admit R does focus on the future a little too much (revealing the fates of your main characters limited a lot of storytelling potential), but I'd say Classic and definitely the rest of the series doesn't deal with the past enough.

Let's get this straight. A hero uncovers an entire lifetime's worth of memories from a previous life lived in an entirely different civilization (that in of itself would be a journey). Isn't this the sort of thing that would affect a character not only permanently, but would manifest in different ways over time?

The problem is the series tries to sweep the past under the rug and try to focus on who the hero has become, but not indicating how the past affects the present. Again, this is an entire lifetime the characters have thrust on them.

As the person you replied to mentioned, PGSM, at least did try to explore this a little bit, but given that it was a one-season show, there's not much it could do and remain a live-action sentai-ish show. And to its credit, the manga did at least keep the ties to the past more relevant. The anime, though, dropped the ball completely.
 

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Nangbaby said:
Sailor Capricorn said:
I like it that there is a senshi for every planet. It gives a lot of possibilities for otaku senshi.
Yes, it does, but the point of plot developments aren't to allow fans to create more material. Once you start thinking about it, the whole series starts suffering because of this revelation. Why didn't Luna or Artemis say anything? Why didn't we see any other Sailor Guardians until the final season even when there were enemies from planets outside the Solar System? Why didn't the other Sailor Guardians investigate what was going on in the Moon Kingdom or after the fact? What does this mean for our Solar System Sailor Guardians afterwards? Will they have to travel to other worlds to help out with the other Guardians' messes? Will the other Guardians that are left share what they know?


Sabrblade said:
To be fair, they did say that Nemesis remained largely undetected until the 30th Century, so its protector, if it has/had one/ would have been unknown. And, since Death Phantom became essentially linked to Nemesis, it's possible that he is the protector of Nemesis. ;)
All of the planets that make up the Solar System are uninhabited and it's implied that this was even the case in the Silver Millennium. So that wouldn't have prevented there from being one for Nemesis in the first place.

Instead of changing Chibiusa to Black Lady, Wiseman should have infused her with the power to become Sailor Nemesis. Or he could have mentioned he killed Nemesis' protector, since after all, he's facing the Guardians of the other planets. Then, at least there'd be an established idea that these other planets have their own Guardians, too.

Sabrblade said:
Then again, up until the Stars arc/Sailor Stars anime, it was never explicitly stated that the Sailor Soldiers were an exclusive unit of the Moon Kingdom. Plus, those ones are formally referred to as the "Sailor Team", whereas any other Sailor Soldier is just another Soldier.
I know it was never explicitly stated, just as it's never explicitly stated that Usagi doesn't have a twin sister nobody knows about and was brainwashed into forgetting who was sent to another universe. But given how heavily their powers tie into their past loves, this connection is implicit, especially with the Princess forms in the manga.


Sabrblade said:
But, there is a greater significance of the Sailor Soldiers revealed in this final story: They are guardians of life itself. Chaos is the ultimate source of all evil and the sworn enemy of all Sailor Soldiers. The revelation of his manipulation of everything from behind the scenes the entire time created an extra layer of depth to the overall story, making the stakes higher, the scale grander, and more important than ever before. The Sailor Wars were a struggle over life itself, and to bring the Sailor Team into the existing conflict made their value to the story all the more precious. :)
Except, it's pulled completely from thin air. Like the Black Star Dragon Balls or, more analogously the evil Shadow Dragons from DBGT. While these developments are attempts to add consequence to the events earlier in the series, they come out of the blue and too late to mean anything.

If this were the endgame, it should have been handled the way it was in ReBoot. It was established that Bob was a Guardian*, one of many, but for a large part of the series, he worked without the aid of other Guardians in Mainframe. Yet that thread of him being one of many was kept open long enough that when the really Big Bad did come in and the greater Net-wide implications arose, it wasn't completely out of the blue.

On the other hand, Sailor Moon slowly adds members of its group in a relatively logical procession (even if it did start stretching continuity in terms of the backstory), then turns into Green Lantern for the last story arc, and adds several layers of retcon on top if it.

I mean, we go from Nehellenia, who was directly tied to Queen Serenity and the Silver Millennium in the manga and was tangentially tied with the past even in the anime, to some interstellar/intragalatic war that makes the Sailors into warriors for this grand conflict that no one knew existed. Either establish this from the start (why I like the dub's "Negaverse/Negaforce"), or at least throw some links or hints to this in the preceding material to this final over reaching arc...or extend the series longer to explore this concept. Instead, there is no groundwork laid and not time given to develop this concept into a satisfying conclusion.

The problem with this is that it's obviously bad writing that is a slap in the face to the audience, even in the anime which does not take itself that seriously. If this were a fanfic, someone would be called on it. Since it happens in the manga and the anime, viewers give it a pass.


Maraviollantes said:
More like the center of the Evil. During the Silver Millennium, the Earth was barbarian and divided into kingdoms warring with each other. People from the Moon (who lived under an artificial transparent dome, which suggests they were aliens taking the satellite over at some point in the past and not indigenous population) tried to improve and influence people from the Earth in a positive way. Metaria was a demon originating from the Sun, and thus an indigenous creature of the Solar System.
You've got a point, albeit a picky one. I mean, the Solar System/Moon itself was seen as the good, and the warriors were reincarnated on Earth, thus in the present fighting for Earth as well. Not unless you want to say Tuxedo Mask and humans are not merely prone to evil tendencies at times but are indeed plain evil.


*For those not in the know, yes, that what his "format" (job title) was.
The series does not start to suffer Luna and Artemis do not speak about other Sailor Soldiers because they do not remember much about them. Further more it could be that they did not know any other Sailor Soldiers from outside the Solar System. Plus Senshi might have investigated the fall of the Silver Millenium after ward and we did not know it or other senshi did not know about the Silver Millenium and thus were more preocupied on their own worlds to deal with that tragedy. Next the senshi would most likely focus on their own worlds rather then defend another soldier's world as it is the respective senshi's job to defend their own world.

Next actually during the time of the Silver Millenium all of the planets were said to be inhabited. In Sailor V the main villain was a Venusian soldier. Further more since it is not in Wiseman's power to give senshidom to people he could not have made Chibi Usa into a Sailor Nemesis.

Further more it was never implicit that all Sailor Soldiers were tied to the Silver Millenium and I gave you an example of one senshi Tuxedo Kamen whose kingdom was not under the Silver Millenium. It was implied that there are senshi of other planets with their own princesses and princes whom they guard

Further more the Chaos and Sailor Wars twist was saved for Stars to give it a twist and add to the plot of that season. Having this set up from the start would take away the huge plot points of Stars. There were no retcons in Stars and this did not damage the plot. It just made the show more interesting and the senshi concept more logical.
 

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Nangbaby said:
Let's get this straight. A hero uncovers an entire lifetime's worth of memories from a previous life lived in an entirely different civilization (that in of itself would be a journey). Isn't this the sort of thing that would affect a character not only permanently, but would manifest in different ways over time?

The problem is the series tries to sweep the past under the rug and try to focus on who the hero has become, but not indicating how the past affects the present. Again, this is an entire lifetime the characters have thrust on them.
I like to think that by the time of S, Usagi is old and experienced enough to have come to terms with everything that took place in her past and present, so it's wasn't really necessary to dwell on the whole Serenity thing any longer. But I do agree that I would like to see more exploration on how much of her known past has affected her present self.

To be honest, I don't give much of a care about Usagi as a Princess or as a Neo-Queen. Those ships have sailed (or have yet to sail). Right now, she's Sailor Moon, and she's got a job to do in protecting her world.
 
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Pretty much everything rgveda99 said. I was so excited to finally watch all of Sailor Stars when I got my boxset from a fansubber in Canada. I thought it had a lot of promise when it started. I hated everything about Super S but the evil queen (Not going to bother butchering her name) so it was great to see she was back for revenge. I loved it when she has Mamoru sucked into the mirror and she looks at Usagi and says, "I love it when you cry..." then vanishes! Awesome. Then they bring Saturn back, and I love it when all of the characters are together because you know something is going to go down when they need the full team. Then it pretty much reverts into Toei's typical filler episode bullshit. I was glad they got rid of Chibi-Usa, but now make way for the Starlights! So now we have to care about new characters. I didn't like the Eternal costume, wings and she doesn't fly? It's like they had to do something new to make another toy for kids to buy.
 

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what I don't like about Stars, let me count the ways

1 - too much starlights focus not enough outers

2 - no saturn henshin

3 - the proposal :| [still bitter]

4 - seiya's famous " am I not good enough?" line :| give it up, maybe if you met her during the break up you might actually have a shot

5 - over-sized eternal wings

6 - sailor guts ewwwwwww :grey:
 
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My 3 gripes:

1: Starlights ''Magically'' being dudes on earth. Eww.... :dead:
2: Outer were obviously slapped in the show.
3: Too much focus on said Starlights.

My last gripe is an honorable mention since it happens a lot:

The Senshi end up as Cannon Fodder at the end of the series.
 
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what I don't like about Stars, let me count the ways

1 - too much starlights focus not enough outers

2 - no saturn henshin

3 - the proposal :| [still bitter]

4 - seiya's famous " am I not good enough?" line :| give it up, maybe if you met her during the break up you might actually have a shot

5 - over-sized eternal wings

6 - sailor guts ewwwwwww :grey:
your back!! =^_^= :cookie:

i aggre on how too much starlights... there should have been more :haruka: :mihiru: :hotaru: :setsuna:
 

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Sailor Swifty said:
Prince Chiba said:
what I don't like about Stars, let me count the ways

1 - too much starlights focus not enough outers

2 - no saturn henshin

3 - the proposal :| [still bitter]

4 - seiya's famous " am I not good enough?" line :| give it up, maybe if you met her during the break up you might actually have a shot

5 - over-sized eternal wings

6 - sailor guts ewwwwwww :grey:
your back!! =^_^= :cookie:

i aggre on how too much starlights... there should have been more :haruka: :mihiru: :hotaru: :setsuna:
This I agree with 100%.