What if silver millennium was a lie?

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What if everything the sailor senshi knew about silver millennium was a lie? That Queen Serenity was not the ruler of the silver alliance and that the planets were at odds with eachother.
Some had alliances and some just downright hated eachother.
And the sailor senshi are not the protectors and guardians of Princess Serenity. But the rulers/crown princesses of their own empires that they rule and protect.
And to make it worst. The human sailor senshi are just host bodies for the princesses and that their powers are nothing to compared to the ancient warrior goddesses princesses.
They just have a small part of their powers and these goddesses are to awaken and fight again.

So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?
How different are them against their human host? What powers, weapons, abilities, guardian do you guys want them to have?
 
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:luna::artemis::diana:The puppet masters from Planet Mau. :creeper:
So like if Sailor Moon were Madoka and the whole SIlMil was all an illusion set up by the Cats who are Kyuubey like creatures? :P
And to make it worst. The human sailor senshi are just host bodies for the princesses and that their powers are nothing to compared to the ancient warrior goddesses princesses.
They just have a small part of their powers and these goddesses are to awaken and fight again.

So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?
How different are them against their human host? What powers, weapons, abilities, guardian do you guys want them to have?
I've always been partial to this headcanon in particular. I think there is evidence for it at least with some Senshi (namely Mamoru & Hotaru) and even Minako shows signs in the Manga of being very different from her Venus persona.

Venus in the Silver Millenium strikes me as a person more simliar to Kunzite in personality, a real serious hard-liner drill sergeant, whereas Minako before awakening as Sailor V never took anything seriously and was a goofball.
 

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So you mean another bad deconstruction fic about how The Silver Millennium and Crystal Tokyo were really awful dystopias and the Dark Kingdom and the Black Moon Clan "had a good reason to rebel." Honestly if Naoko Takeuchi didn't have her lion's paw grip on the series and you just added modern race and gender politics when they didn't apply this could be a new bad Netflix or WB adaptation of an anime.

No offense but this is why I think that Westerners should be barred from creating anime then again with certain issues in the West with far left distributors I have heard some anime makers campaigning to do just that even control the translations etc.
 

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So like if Sailor Moon were Madoka and the whole SIlMil was all an illusion set up by the Cats who are Kyuubey like creatures? :P
I haven't watched Madoka. P-:

OP did gave us some freedom to re-write the story. :p
So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?
 
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So you mean another bad deconstruction fic about how The Silver Millennium and Crystal Tokyo were really awful dystopias and the Dark Kingdom and the Black Moon Clan "had a good reason to rebel." Honestly if Naoko Takeuchi didn't have her lion's paw grip on the series and you just added modern race and gender politics when they didn't apply this could be a new bad Netflix or WB adaptation of an anime.

No offense but this is why I think that Westerners should be barred from creating anime then again with certain issues in the West with far left distributors I have heard some anime makers campaigning to do just that even control the translations etc.
I've already said I completely stand behind Crystal Tokyo in the Manga/Crystal and don't condone the BMC's actions there, and it's the reverse for me when it comes to the Silver Millenium in the 90's anime. They were definitely unjustifiably attacked in the 90's anime but you've gotta admit that even while possessed by Metallia, Beryl had a point. Queen Serenity really does come off looking like a tyrannical dicator in the Manga/Crystal, I mean look how she exiled Nehellenia and didn't allow the Earth to join the Silver Millenium while full on isolating and forbidding them to fraternize with the Lunerians. Is it any wonder then that the Earthlings got so suspicous of the Moon Kingdom's intentions? One could make the argument that the one truly responsible for Silver Millenium's downfall was neither Beryl nor Metallia but ultimately Queen Serenity. After all if she had just allowed the Earth to join the Silver Alliance and wasn't so intent on isolating them then Beryl's attempt at a coup would've never worked because the Earthlings would have no reason to be suspicious of and fear the Silver Millenium in the first place.
 

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Have to nerf :hotaru: and :setsuna: since they are S-tier and get rid of their omniscience.

Also get rid of :mars: and :mako:'s (PGSM) ESP after all this is one big lie. Can't have precognitive abilities with these characters. It would be troublesome if one of them can see the future or psychics who can discern lies. Though having :mars: retain her probability manipulation would be more interesting. May be even introduce the rainbow crystals and make them like infinity gems. :googly:
Now what would the powers of the 7th crystal be? :question:
 

MariaTenebre

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I've already said I completely stand behind Crystal Tokyo in the Manga/Crystal and don't condone the BMC's actions there, and it's the reverse for me when it comes to the Silver Millenium in the 90's anime. They were definitely unjustifiably attacked in the 90's anime but you've gotta admit that even while possessed by Metallia, Beryl had a point. Queen Serenity really does come off looking like a tyrannical dicator in the Manga/Crystal, I mean look how she exiled Nehellenia and didn't allow the Earth to join the Silver Millenium while full on isolating and forbidding them to fraternize with the Lunerians. Is it any wonder then that the Earthlings got so suspicous of the Moon Kingdom's intentions? One could make the argument that the one truly responsible for Silver Millenium's downfall was neither Beryl nor Metallia but ultimately Queen Serenity. After all if she had just allowed the Earth to join the Silver Alliance and wasn't so intent on isolating them then Beryl's attempt at a coup would've never worked because the Earthlings would have no reason to be suspicious of and fear the Silver Millenium in the first place.
It was never said that she didn't allow the Earth People to join their alliance. In fact it seemed that they didn't want to and many were jealous of the Moon Kingdom which Beryl later exploited.

Also it wasn't stated that Queen Serenity made the rule that the people of Earth and Moon couldn't associate with one another. In fact it was described as a commandment from "God" as to who this god might be we don't know but if Queen Serenity is the incarnation of the Moon Goddess Selene and Chronos the God of Time who is sometimes identified with Zeus's Father Cronus is the Father of Sailor Pluto then it could be Zeus himself or a Deity above Him etc or even if we want to go down the Eastern Mythology route God or specifically Tentei the Jade Emperor the God of the Pole Star/Polaris is said to be the Father of Shokujo/Vega in the Tanabata story in the Chibiusa's picture Diary so it could be Him as well. As The Jade Emperor is the Supreme Male God in Indigenous Chinese Religion aka Taoism.

Though again there is no evidence of Crystal Tokyo or the Silver Millennium or the Golden Kingdom being evil dystopias regardless of what racial fanfic you write about the Black Moon Clan because you think that just because people call them beings and not people even though people use he term human beings all of the time that they are some other race when they aren't.

In fact I could easily argue that maybe the Black Moon Clan's ancestors followed some cult leader similar to Wiseman or even Wiseman in his former life and he was killed but returned later as Wiseman and their ancestors left "of their own free will not being forced" rather then to be cleansed or face justice for their terrorism.

Likewise I could see even with regard to Queen Serenity her fear of the Earth and Moon fraternizing a command from some unknown god leading o the fall of the Silver Millennium as per Nehellenia's Maleficent like curse on Princess Serenity leading to the Silver Millennium's fall etc.
 
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It was never said that she didn't allow the Earth People to join their alliance. In fact it seemed that they didn't want to and many were jealous of the Moon Kingdom which Beryl later exploited.

Also it wasn't stated that Queen Serenity made the rule that the people of Earth and Moon couldn't associate with one another. In fact it was described as a commandment from "God" as to who this god might be we don't know but if Queen Serenity is the incarnation of the Moon Goddess Selene and Chronos the God of Time who is sometimes identified with Zeus's Father Cronus is the Father of Sailor Pluto then it could be Zeus himself or a Deity above Him etc or even if we want to go down the Eastern Mythology route God or specifically Tentei the Jade Emperor the God of the Pole Star/Polaris is said to be the Father of Shokujo/Vega in the Tanabata story in the Chibiusa's picture Diary so it could be Him as well. As The Jade Emperor is the Supreme Male God in Indigenous Chinese Religion aka Taoism.

In fact I could easily argue that maybe the Black Moon Clan's ancestors followed some cult leader similar to Wiseman or even Wiseman in his former life and he was killed but returned later as Wiseman and their ancestors left "of their own free will not being forced" rather then to be cleansed or face justice for their terrorism.

Likewise I could see even with regard to Queen Serenity her fear of the Earth and Moon fraternizing a command from some unknown god leading o the fall of the Silver Millennium as per Nehellenia's Maleficent like curse on Princess Serenity leading to the Silver Millennium's fall etc.
I was always under the impression that Queen Serenity was the so-called "God" they were referring to who made that law. After all, who in our Solar System hiearchy is higher than her? She's the ruler over the entire Silver Millenium which is her own personal empire spanning all 9 planets besides Earth.


regardless of what racial fanfic you write about the Black Moon Clan because you think that just because people call them beings and not people even though people use he term human beings all of the time that they are some other race when they aren't.
As I said before in the other thread, it wasn't just the language he used to describe the BMC's ancestores but also the physical features and powers they were born with like Demande's 3rd eye that signaled it to me as a racial issue in the 90's anime.
 

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And you would be wrong pf it being a "racial issue" in the 90s anime. Plenty of series have human characters who through magic are able to do weird body transformations like Demand's third eye. Not to mention the Third Eye magic and even manifestation are a part of The Dharmic Faiths and even the Heka and Womb faiths of North East Africa especially though not limited to the indigenous Sudanese people. In fact I would argue that the Dark Kingdom themselves have non human features but were just human Earth people turned monstrous by Queen Metalia's power.

Also if that is the case when Queen Serenity then why did she herself describe the commandment of the Earth and Moon not fraternizing being a "command of God" not herself? She clearing was acting like this was not a command she herself made but one that she was following and afraid of the results of it was violated. She is certainly the reigning Queen of her People namely the Silver Millennium but there are empires in the Solar System itself that hold no allegiance to her like The Golden Kingdom in the 90s anime or even Nehellenia's unnamed asteroid kingdom in the 90s anime.

Besides if there is a Selene/Queen Serenity and a Chronos who is to say there can't be a Zeus, a Hera, a Athena or someone higher up on the chain then they themselves. After all it was stated in the Tanabata Chibiusa's picture diary That God or Specifically Tentei the Jade Emperor/Shangdi/Myoken etc is the Father of Shokujo/Orihime/Vega like in the actual mythic story. Tentei being the God of the Pole Star Polaris like Shokujo is for the star Vega and Kengyu is for the star Altair etc.

So the way that Queen Serenity described the command against the Earth and Moon fraternizing seemed very much that it was not she who made this command but some other God.

Also the God need not be of necessarily a higher rank then Queen Serenity. Maybe it was a prophecy that this other God foretold to her that would bring calamity if happened which again is a common theme in Greek Mythology especially people trying to avoid their fate only for their actions to necessitate this fate happening. Even our word Necessary comes from the Roman word Necessitas aka their name for he Greek Goddess Ananke he Goddess of Neccessity and even a Goddess of Fate and the Wife of Chronos God of Time. and even to of the earliest Deities to come into being in he Orphic Religion and is in some traditions even described as the Mother of the Moirai/Parcae or The Fates themselves. In fact one of the names that Ananke was called besides Necessitas was Tecmor and Moira aka Fate.
 
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In fact I would argue that the Dark Kingdom themselves have non human features but were just human Earth people turned monstrous by Queen Metalia's power.
Aside from the Rainbow Crystal carriers and the civilians Kunzite worked with in the 90's anime, this is just as much as a non-confirmed, non-canon headcanon as mine about the 90's anime BMC being Hanyou is. Why the double standard then? What makes you think your headcanons are so much more likelier than mine? Actually scratch that, your headcanon is even less likely because any confirmed non-human Youma Sailor Moon immediately dusts and doesn't even attempt to "refresh" and turn them back into this supposed human form.


Also if that is the case when Queen Serenity then why did she herself describe the commandment of the Earth and Moon not fraternizing being a "command of God" not herself? She clearing was acting like this was not a command she herself made but one that she was following and afraid of the results of it was violated. She is certainly the reigning Queen of her People namely the Silver Millennium but there are empires in the Solar System itself that hold no allegiance to her like The Golden Kingdom in the 90s anime or even Nehellenia's unnamed asteroid kingdom in the 90s anime.
? She never said the whole "It's the Law made by God" line, that came from Princess Serenity. Granted you could then argue "well why didn't Princess Serenity just refer to "God" as her mother?" but I think it was meant to be ambiguous on purpose, nevertheless, all evidence point to Queen Serenity being the one who made that law - or if not her maybe an ancestor of hers that she felt to had to honor by upholding the law in place.


Also the God need not be of necessarily a higher rank then Queen Serenity. Maybe it was a prophecy that this other God foretold to her that would bring calamity if happened which again is a common theme in Greek Mythology especially people trying to avoid their fate only for their actions to necessitate this fate happening. Even our word Necessary comes from the Roman word Necessitas aka their name for he Greek Goddess Ananke he Goddess of Neccessity and even a Goddess of Fate and the Wife of Chronos God of Time. and even to of the earliest Deities to come into being in he Orphic Religion and is in some traditions even described as the Mother of the Moirai/Parcae or The Fates themselves. In fact one of the names that Ananke was called besides Necessitas was Tecmor and Moira aka Fate.
The Gods and Goddesses myths described by Chibi-Usa in the Tanabata Picture Diary are just that - modern day Earth myths that give no indication whether these Gods and Goddesses actually existed. In fact, considering Queen Serenity herself states how the people of Earth refer to her as the "incarnation of Selene," it'd make more sense that modern-day Greeko/Roman mythology are simply misinterpretations of Silver Millenium figures and records passed down after Earth restarted it's history due to Saturn's glaive drop in the Sailor Moon universe. So just like Selene is really Queen Serenity, "Zeus" is actually just Princess Jupiter and so on and so forth.

Likewise we don't know if the Chronos Pluto refers to is an actual real-life person and her physical parent or if it's just a metaphorical title describing her position. Remember - Chronos in Latin means time, so Pluto could simply just be referring to herself as "The daughter of Time" indicating how she''s the Guardian of Time.
 
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What if everything the sailor senshi knew about silver millennium was a lie? That Queen Serenity was not the ruler of the silver alliance and that the planets were at odds with eachother.
Some had alliances and some just downright hated eachother.
And the sailor senshi are not the protectors and guardians of Princess Serenity. But the rulers/crown princesses of their own empires that they rule and protect.
And to make it worst. The human sailor senshi are just host bodies for the princesses and that their powers are nothing to compared to the ancient warrior goddesses princesses.
They just have a small part of their powers and these goddesses are to awaken and fight again.

So if you have a choice to write the rulers and crown princesses from the past how would you write them?
How different are them against their human host? What powers, weapons, abilities, guardian do you guys want them to have?
This reminds me of a fanfic idea with a similar premise.

"A vastly AU story where Artemis is a crazy genius geeky wizard who turned himself and his witch friend Luna into cats, and created the transformation devices and linked them to a bunch of girls he stalked, and made up bullshit back-stories involving reincarnation. Luna plays along with his stories and actually distributes the remaining transformation pens when a youkai outbreak hits that the mage association isn't handling because they've been corrupted and taken over from the inside and are now controlled by an 'evil' organization. Luna knows that the senshi are the only people she can be sure aren't actually mage association double agents, and thinks letting them believe Artemis' bullshit reincarnation story is the best way to motivate them in face of real danger, or risk them attempting to investigate the mage association and bungle her own investigations. Meanwhile Luna is trying to find out how to turn herself and Artemis human again, but not rushing because her current form serves as an effective way to hide from the corrupted mage association. Artemis goes along with her plan because he thinks it fun, and the energy draining golems sent out by the corrupted magic association don't know any better, plus the mages behind them are starting to think the senshi really are reincarnated ancient magic heroes and trying to seek the fictional ancient magic civilization's relics, which is really useful to Luna, as it sends them on a wild goose chase that likely has limited results, thank you Artemis.

Then once the incident is dealt with, Luna steals back the transformation items and reveals the truth to the shocked Sailor Scouts, some of whom go into denial over it and wind up teaming up with Artemis making trouble as super heroes endangering the masquerade and get in trouble with the fixed up magic association because of that, only for their interference to cause Luna to discover that the magic association is still corrupted in some parts, and the evil organization or whatever is still out there, and still using youma or something more stealthily, and only Artemis' magi-tech can detect the enemy's activities, or easily fight it, but he is as troublesome to work with, if not more-so, than Tabane from Infinite Stratos.

tl;dr - Reincarnation is bullshit story made up by Tabane!Artemis, Luna plays along as secret agent trying to deal with issues in magic association to take advantage of Artemis genius magic tools without trying to use potentially compromised other mages she doesn't know if she can trust."