What is the weakest season of Crystal so far?

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Worst Crystal season?

  • Season 1

    Votes: 46 54.1%
  • Season 2

    Votes: 6 7.1%
  • Season 3

    Votes: 5 5.9%
  • Both seasons 1 & 2

    Votes: 10 11.8%
  • All of the above

    Votes: 9 10.6%
  • Undecided/Neither

    Votes: 9 10.6%

  • Total voters
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"It used to be if you were a fan of Star Trek, you liked Star Trek. Now it seems like half the people who call themselves Star Trek fans hate Star Trek, and the Star Wars fans hate Star Wars, and the Tolkien fans hate Rings of Power. What the hell?"

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I think this article sums up very well, what EVERY Fandom go through with the reboots... Sailor Moon Crystal/Eternal/Cosmos is just one of them ;)
 

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"It used to be if you were a fan of Star Trek, you liked Star Trek. Now it seems like half the people who call themselves Star Trek fans hate Star Trek, and the Star Wars fans hate Star Wars, and the Tolkien fans hate Rings of Power. What the hell?"

George R.R. Martin doesn't understand why people hated Game Of Thrones ending | Virgin Radio UK

I think this article sums up very well, what EVERY Fandom go through with the reboots... Sailor Moon Crystal/Eternal/Cosmos is just one of them ;)
With the difference that Crysternal is a downgrade from the 90s anime in every aspect. People were ready for something new, but after it turned out that it was bad, people wanted old Sailor Moon back.
 
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With the difference that Crysternal is a downgrade from the 90s anime in every aspect. People were ready for something new, but after it turned out that it was bad, people wanted old Sailor Moon back.
A lot of people wanted the manga adapted, you have the 90s monster of the day superhero show, it won't go away. Why couldn't the manga fans get what they want - now it turned out ugly, but.... Many people wanted exact replica of the 90s slapstick and the moment it was not there they decided to hate whatever Crystal do.
 
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With the difference that Crysternal is a downgrade from the 90s anime in every aspect. People were ready for something new, but after it turned out that it was bad, people wanted old Sailor Moon back.
So bad that there is two webseries, one tv series and now 4 movies :). I don’t take seriously fandom anymore. The article is quite clear about that too… and “Scream 5” was just about how toxic Fandom can be :whee:. Let include in the list the new sequel of “sex and the city”, “And just like that”.

downgrade on every aspect… well honestly the main plot in each season of crystal is far much better for me than the ones is the 90’s (specially in the second season and the fourth one from far far away at least to my taste)
 
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So bad that there is two webseries, one tv series and now 4 movies :).
You need to apply more critical thinking than your own assumptions here.

Crystal was a flop. That's a fact. It has no animation, it's badly written and directed. That's another fact. Where did Crystal merch go?
Crystal Season 3 was another flop.
Eternal bombed at the box office. But the merch sales were really good.
Now we've got Cosmos.

The conclusion I draw is that there has to be a heavy contractual thing, a sort of lump-sum contract, between PNP/Kodansha and Toei, where the latter is obligated to continue the reboot, no matter the results. Kazuko Tadano's return to the franchise is not a coincidence; Toei needs the classic designs to sell merchandise, to cover expenses and get income, because they know (and you'll do if you browse on japanese sites) that Takeuchi's manga has not the same popularity as the TVAsahi's version in Japan, aside from it being obsolete.
 
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You need to apply more critical thinking than your own assumptions here.
Crystal was a flop. That's a fact. It has no animation, it's badly written and directed. That's another fact. Where did Crystal merch go?
Crystal Season 3 was another flop.
Eternal bombed at the box office. But the merch sales were really good.
Now we've got Cosmos..
Just the fact that you (deliberately) forgot the Netflix international deal in all you “it’s a flop” make my point… such a flop that the movies were TOP 5 in nearly 15 countries…

Please also give me sources, just screaming 10 times it’s a flop don’t make it true. Fact is and that I can admit the reboot is mostly hated by old fandom… the business flop I don’t believe it one second if it was the case we wouldn’t even had a third TV season. To claim the opposite is totally ridiculous. And no lol TOEI will never pursuits the Reboot if they were losing one dollar in it… seriously who can believe that …

so to resume; critical flop for sure for the fandom (but honestly who cares?! Certainly not TOEI); buisness flop absolutely NOT (the only ones I know about are the sells of the third season BR in Japan; and the box office numbers there for Eternal during the full corona pandemic).
 
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downgrade on every aspect… well honestly the main plot in each season of crystal is far much better for me than the ones is the 90’s (specially in the second season and the fourth one from far far away at least to my taste)
That's your personal taste, no problem with that, but the plot is the manga. Crystal can't be praised for that.
 
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That's your personal taste, no problem with that, but the plot is the manga. Crystal can't be praised for that.
I never praised crystal for it I just say the main plot is not a downgrade for me… in 2022 I don’t know any new generation who would accept to watch a monster of days series without complaining…
 

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I never praised crystal for it I just say the main plot is not a downgrade for me… in 2022 I don’t know any new generation who would accept to watch a monster of days series without complaining…
To be perfectly fair Crystal did downgrade the plot from the manga, instead of using the whole thing to fix some plot holes and inconsistencies. Also it is not like Crystal doesn't have monster of the day to an extend - I mean each story arc's first half is essentially that. However, as in the manga it does it while advancing the plot, which is a rarity in the 90s show after the first couple of seasons. Any comparison on every level betweeh the 90s show is injustice as they have different target audiences, come in very different times and in very different formats.
 
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With the difference that Crysternal is a downgrade from the 90s anime in every aspect. People were ready for something new, but after it turned out that it was bad, people wanted old Sailor Moon back.
in that case they could catch the reruns on tv or buy the home releases tho :kiss:
 
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To be perfectly fair Crystal did downgrade the plot from the manga, instead of using the whole thing to fix some plot holes and inconsistencies.
That the only real problem here; the main issue of SAILOR MOON CRYSTAL was to use the manga as a 1/1 storyboard… they could have been extremely faithful to it and still improve it. But yeah anyway cannot wait to see Cosmos next year :lol:
 
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Just the fact that you (deliberately) forgot the Netflix international deal in all you “it’s a flop” make my point… such a flop that the movies were TOP 5 in nearly 15 countries…
If you read my message you would've noticed I left Netflix case out because I was referring to Crystal/Eternal trajectory in Japan. You mean that Eternal had a monumental success on Netflix? I don't think so. That Top 5 was thanks to the western fans and casual viewers that got diluted with each passing week till it was nothing by mid-July. A moderate success? Mmmm, yes, it is... again in the West.

Please also give me sources, just screaming 10 times it’s a flop don’t make it true.
I checked the viewership on Nico Nico. Only that says it all. But I've followed the reception by critics that were not fans who analysed Crystal as an individual product, and I understand why they wonder what is the cause of SM success; why SM is that popular and has changed a lot of lives around the world. Some of them think Crystal is SM when it's actually a defective version of the story.
I know you will mention S1-S2 Blu Rays, but to be honest, inflated prices isn't synonym of success, it's just the other way around.
Also there barely was merch of Crystal, that speaks volumes. Besides, it's ignored by Toei nowadays. Of course, it will be remembered in the Museum event, but still....

And no lol TOEI will never pursuits the Reboot if they were losing one dollar in it… seriously who can believe that …
Crystal was a cheap, very cheap, ridiculously cheap product for Toei who obtained profits thanks to the 90's merch sales at the time. 90's was and still is their ace up the sleeve. I keep thinking if Kodansha and PNP hadn't been involved, Crystal would've been cancelled after the second season. There must be a contractual obligation in which Kodansha/PNP will have learnt where the money is and where it isn't through clenched teeth at their particular stubbornness of changing nothing but the designs, as though the designs were enough to hold the whole structure of Crystal/Eternal - now Cosmos. It makes selling merch easier, and that's what counts.

critical flop for sure for the fandom (but honestly who cares?! Certainly not TOEI); buisness flop absolutely NOT (the only ones I know about are the sells of the third season BR in Japan; and the box office numbers there for Eternal during the full corona pandemic).
I do care. SM is not only an anime and manga, it was a phenomenon in Japan that made history, it had a cultural impact, it's also important in the West in terms of opening up doors to the anime industry, specially Europe and South America. It doesn't deserve this awful reboot called Crystal and this franchise doesn't deserve to be managed the way it is.

To me Covid is not an excuse. There was other anime films who exceeded Eternal numbers. Even Do-Re-Mi if I'm not wrong.

Also it is not like Crystal doesn't have monster of the day to an extend - I mean each story arc's first half is essentially that. However, as in the manga it does it while advancing the plot, which is a rarity in the 90s show after the first couple of seasons. Any comparison on every level betweeh the 90s show is injustice as they have different target audiences, come in very different times and in very different formats.
I disagree. The design of the villains were very sophisticated. I don't think Takeuchi fretted over these characters to remove them automatically after their introduction.
Or maybe you're right and they are Monsters of the month, and Takeuchi gave them good designs because she knew Toei would use them for a number of episodes.

But I'm not sure knowing she didn't know how to handle the story with 10 characters at the same time, that's why she killed the villains right away, other characters just stood babbling generic dialogues and "supporting characters" appeared and disappeared for the sake of the typical plot point, like Asanuma.
 
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Any comparison on every level betweeh the 90s show is injustice as they have different target audiences, come in very different times and in very different formats.
This, you are absolutely right.
 

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I don't engage in this type of conversation anymore. Other than season 3, that was more interesting than S and its dragged storyline, everything in Crystal is garbage as a whole and didn't live up to expectations. This should be as clear as the fact that SuperS was the 90s in its worst. :samus:
 
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I'm don't engage in this type of conversation anymore.
:loltext: And some members here complain about our Ferrari jokes. XD

FYI. Crystal VS 90s debates are older than car jokes here. :quagmire: #TaleAsOldAsGrime ♩♪♫♩♯♪♪
 
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There's some problems with S. Like the other witches having only appear 1 or 2 episodes not counting their shadow cameos with Prof. Tomoe. And that episode with :mihiru::haruka:'s mini rebellion test with :usagi:. Last episode feels like a filler episode too. Also we barely got to see :hotaru: in action once awakened.

I personally see both 90's S and Crystal season 3 compliment each other when compared to the rest.
 
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