Why isn't wikimoon working?

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Rika-Chicchi

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Its host, who doesn't host this forum, has made technical errors while doing system upgrade. It'll take two or three days (hopefully) for them to fix it.
 

Jadeite2

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I am curious, for the people who use Wikimoon regularly or cared about the fact that it was down:

1. Why do you use Wikimoon over the Sailor Moon Wikia or other information portals like regular Wikipedia?
2. In your mind, what is the core differentiator of Wikimoon relative to other information sources?
3. How often do you visit Wikimoon? Do you just view or edit?
4. What is the value of Wikimoon to the Sailor Moon community? If Wikimoon was permanently down, what would you use instead?

Most of the questions above are somewhat similar, but I'm simply curious as to the value proposition to the community today. Is it considered better quality information? More breadth of substance? Does it feel elite? Does it cover the latest information? Is it that the structural decisions (around naming, around categorization) are better?

When Sushil and I first setup WIkimoon circa 2006, it grew much faster than the existing Wikia. Wikimoon was powered by the community we had built out of [THE HAPPY PLACE] and these forums- particularly thanks to the efforts of Kero, Rika and others. These days there's a plethora of information sources out there yet I noticed more public chatter about Wikimoon going down than these forums, which tells me the community still relies on it
 

Neon Genesis

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Wikimoon is more reliable than the other Wikias and it has more complete information. If I want to look up information about the international dubs of Sailor Moon, for instance, I know I can count on Wikimoon to provide me with a lot of information whereas other Wikias might not be as detailed about the international dubs. I also appreciate Wikimoon provides information about which episodes each director of Sailor Moon worked on. I can't think of any other fan resource of Sailor Moon that provides that kind of useful information. If I want to find out which episodes Ikuhara directed, I can easily look them up on his Wikimoon profile and I'm pretty sure that kind of info isn't available elsewhere. If anything happened to Wikimoon, I would probably rely on the Tuxedo Unmasked blog the most as his blog is the only other one I can think of that comes close to the kind of accurate research that Wikimoon engages in.
 
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Jadeite2 said:
1. Why do you use Wikimoon over the Sailor Moon Wikia or other information portals like regular Wikipedia?

2. In your mind, what is the core differentiator of Wikimoon relative to other information sources?
While I do use Sailor Moon Wikia too, I prefer Wikimoon's format, it is much easier to read. It also feels slightly better written, with an emphasis on descriptive articles, as many Sailor Moon Wikia articles seem more skeletal with a few random pictures attached.

I use Wikipedia more for real world knowledge than for franchises, because it limits how many separate articles on subjects for those things it allows and tries to keep everything a bit short and limited. If you look up Nephrite on Wikipedia you're mostly just going to get a mineral lesson. (Though I do actually look up minerals when working on names for SM fanfiction, so.)

3. How often do you visit Wikimoon? Do you just view or edit?
Every couple weeks maybe? More often if I'm writing fanfiction and want to double check something.

I have edited a small amount, but not often. Mostly I tried to enlarge the Shitennou article a bit since that article's Anime subsection had previously contained some short, tersely phrased generalizations that I felt to be factually inaccurate. Most of the stuff I added was kept (albeit reworded with slight improvements, which I don't mind at all), as last I checked.

4. What is the value of Wikimoon to the Sailor Moon community? If Wikimoon was permanently down, what would you use instead?
It would definitely be a loss of good quality wiki content. I suppose I would have to try to use the unwieldy Sailor Moon Wiki and see how much it could be refined. I don't think I would want to go around trying to fix all their articles myself though, even if that was welcomed, and I would be at least as worried about them going down for some reason at that point. So I think it would result in a loss of convenient information overall, and be a definite shame.

Is it considered better quality information? More breadth of substance?
Yes and yes, to me.
Does it feel elite?
I don't think so?
Does it cover the latest information?
I don't know about this because I don't keep up with new stuff very much. I haven't even seen season 2 of Crystal or the live action show yet. My obsession is with the '90s anime.
Is it that the structural decisions (around naming, around categorization) are better?
I would say mostly yes. I think some of the name choices are weird- not too sure about "Demande" being the preferred spelling for instance, since I would think a translation closer to Diamond would probably be the more accurate one, such as Diamande. But I like the organized structure overall.

Another thing work noting is that I feel the Wikimoon pages are easier to look at. Wikia pages often feel very scattered to me, with bulkier frames, a large header getting in the way, and irrelevant "FANDOM" advertisements littering the right side of the page. Wikimoon feels nice and clean and easy to read, following something closer to Wikipedia's structure, while still going into depth about the franchise in a way vanilla Wikipedia cannot.

So thank you, to everyone who works on it and has made it a thing. I definitely feel it still has value, I feel it is the best SM wiki.

Many franchises wind up with two competing wikis, and while I tend to check both just for due diligence, I usually come away with a preferred one. I similarly prefer ZeldaWiki over Zeldapedia, for example.
 

Prince Rose

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I visit Wikimoon quite often I find it more reliable than other sailor moon wiki's and easier to read

I'm a viewer not an editor

if it went down for good I'll just have to reluctantly look elsewhere but honestly I hope it doesn't have to come to that

in my opinion wikimoon does what it's supposed to do
 

Neon Genesis

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I would say I think Wikimoon is the opposite of elitist. It makes a lot of important information about Sailor Moon easily accessible for fans without having to dig through outdated Geocities fan sites to find which might not have the most updated and accurate information.
 

Rika-Chicchi

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Neon Genesis said:
I would say I think Wikimoon is the opposite of elitist. It makes a lot of important information about Sailor Moon easily accessible for fans without having to dig through outdated Geocities fan sites to find which might not have the most updated and accurate information.
So it actually helps promote Sailor Moon literacy for the masses of the fandom. :)
 
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I know of a self confessed Admin here who personally trolls Wikipedia. :googly:

Could it be possible that said Admin does personal edits in Wikimoon. :vanish:
 

mewfelicia

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Others mentioned it- Wikimoon provides invaluable information that while may be hosted across other sites if you looked hard enough, is all in one neatly organized format there. It also just feels very professional.
 

Jadeite2

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Mitsukara said:
Rika-Chicchi said:
Sailor Moon literacy
http://www.wikimoon.org/index.php?title=Serena_Gravey
Where else would I have learned about this? Tanks to that I am now how much 104% more literate does she base (all your, that is).
I wrote this article. That is one of the really old-school memes along with poptarts, AFSM is going to burst into squirrels, and people looking for yachts.

The gravey one still makes me laugh.
 

Kerochan no Miko

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I would say mostly yes. I think some of the name choices are weird- not too sure about "Demande" being the preferred spelling for instance, since I would think a translation closer to Diamond would probably be the more accurate one, such as Diamande.
That particular name spelling was the subject of a really long and drawn-out argument that basically sums up as "there is no one name everyone will agree on, so we pick one," which meant it ended up as "Dimande" because that was the spelling in the ADV subs. Then when the Kodansha manga and Viz started using "Demande" it got changed to that because multiple current sources = let's do that.

But yeah, there are so many arguments that could be made for any number of different spellings on a lot of characters, the original editors basically sat down and hashed out an official list for the wiki and it's been there since. If Viz or Kodansha start using a new spelling, I'd consider revisiting some of the names (like with Demande), but for now they've been the way they are for so long it'd have to be worth the work to change it everywhere on the wiki.

I wrote this article. That is one of the really old-school memes along with poptarts, AFSM is going to burst into squirrels, and people looking for yachts.
I think you mean "yatch".
 
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That makes sense- I didn't realize Demande was the most common spelling in recent official use, but since it is that's the most logical way to present it on the Wiki. I get the impression a lot of stuff on Wikimoon has seen years of hard use and debate- I suspect even that goofy example on the rules and etiquette page about not changing "Zirconia" to "Yur Mum" has actually come up in real life. ^_^'

That gets me thinking, it might be a neat feature to have lists of alternate spellings (within the same language) for such names, and maybe a list of known sources for the variants (or a 'source needed' space if one isn't listed by the editor adding the name variant to the list). I know there's already lists for comparing the Japanese names to other langauges' names, but what I mean is additional lists for when there's confusion within a given language like with Prince-Diamond-Whatsit in English.

Another thing I've thought about that might be kind of neat, is to be able to compile a full list on each character's page of which episodes/chapters/musicals they appeared in. I think I might be willing to do some of the work on making those lists, but I'm not sure if trying to add them to the pages would be welcomed. (I think each episode of the anime lists the voice cast, so if those lists are accurate than that provides information for the anime- but being able to see the full list of appearances on the character's page might be neat too.)
 

Kerochan no Miko

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That makes sense- I didn't realize Demande was the most common spelling in recent official use, but since it is that's the most logical way to present it on the Wiki. I get the impression a lot of stuff on Wikimoon has seen years of hard use and debate- I suspect even that goofy example on the rules and etiquette page about not changing "Zirconia" to "Yur Mum" has actually come up in real life. ^_^'
Don't...even ask....

That gets me thinking, it might be a neat feature to have lists of alternate spellings (within the same language) for such names, and maybe a list of known sources for the variants (or a 'source needed' space if one isn't listed by the editor adding the name variant to the list). I know there's already lists for comparing the Japanese names to other langauges' names, but what I mean is additional lists for when there's confusion within a given language like with Prince-Diamond-Whatsit in English.
When there are multiple spellings of a name in English they should all be listed in the infobox - take Prince ConfusingName for an example, where it has Diamond/Dimande/Demande listed (should being the operative word here, there are vast to-do lists that I don't have time to deal with). Is that what you meant? Or something else?

Another thing I've thought about that might be kind of neat, is to be able to compile a full list on each character's page of which episodes/chapters/musicals they appeared in. I think I might be willing to do some of the work on making those lists, but I'm not sure if trying to add them to the pages would be welcomed. (I think each episode of the anime lists the voice cast, so if those lists are accurate than that provides information for the anime- but being able to see the full list of appearances on the character's page might be neat too.)
Everywhere that they appeared? That's...really not feasible for a lot of characters, tbh. I mean, if we had to list every anime episode, manga chapter, musical, and PGSM episode for Usagi, well.
 
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listed in the infobox
I suddenly feel foolish, because yes, that's precisely what I meant and it looks fine now that I remember it's on there. Yay for (not) actually doing the research, me ^_^' Sometimes I don't think these things through enough before I post, sorry.

Everywhere that they appeared? That's...really not feasible for a lot of characters, tbh. I mean, if we had to list every anime episode, manga chapter, musical, and PGSM episode for Usagi, well.
Fair enough; doesn't she appear in pretty much every installment of each series? I guess I was thinking more for characters with limited numbers of appearances. Although if it was in a collapsible list similar to a spoiler block, I could see really long lists working (I don't know if that's a memory/space concern, though).

Failing that, simply listing a character's total number of appearances per medium (so for Usagi it could be 65 for the manga, 200 for the anime, etc) might be a neat alternative. Though I'm not sure how you'd count edge cases, like Naru's debatable pseudo-cameo in episode 173.
 

Kerochan no Miko

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I suddenly feel foolish, because yes, that's precisely what I meant and it looks fine now that I remember it's on there. Yay for (not) actually doing the research, me ^_^' Sometimes I don't think these things through enough before I post, sorry.
Hey, it's a good idea! And if it's easily missed I might need to consider tweaking the layout.

Fair enough; doesn't she appear in pretty much every installment of each series? I guess I was thinking more for characters with limited numbers of appearances. Although if it was in a collapsible list similar to a spoiler block, I could see really long lists working (I don't know if that's a memory/space concern, though).

Failing that, simply listing a character's total number of appearances per medium (so for Usagi it could be 65 for the manga, 200 for the anime, etc) might be a neat alternative. Though I'm not sure how you'd count edge cases, like Naru's debatable pseudo-cameo in episode 173.
I'm...hm. Not sure MediaWiki would be able to do collapsible text without some kind of plugin, but I could look into possibilities. I completely agree that it would be useful to have the information available of all five (or whatever) times someone showed up in a particular series, I'm just not sure how it would be worked into the existing setup. (And yeah, arguments over cameos could get interesting. :dead:)