Would it be better if Demande's obsession on Queen Serenity/Usagi was removed in the anime?

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The fact that he was willing to blindly place his trust in a suspicious looking, spooky old fortune teller skeleton and it only took his brother's death to even begin questioning him, is the very definition of reckless. He also rushed headfirst into capturing Sailor Moon and was placing getting her above all else, even to the detriment of their original mission. Take for example his first attempt at capturing her, he had Chibi-Usa, the Rabbit they'd been searching for all along right there and yet he's most focused on just getting Sailor Moon, completely ignoring her and allowing her to fall back into Tuxedo Mask's arms.

He also had the Silver Crystal right there in the palm of his hand yet it never crossed his mind to take it himself and place it somewhere for safe-keeping? Why did he just let Usagi continue to hold on to it? Oh yeah because he was so damn obsessed that he wasn't thinking straight and couldn't focus on anything besides the girl right in front of him. Michiru would never allowed herself to lose sight over the main objective or get that distracted.
This guy indeed have power and helped them gained a HUGE upperhand against their enemy, of course he trusted him. He knew that guy had something wrong but his goal was so close, so he had to look on the "big pic".

Yeah that's why I'm saying his obsession of Usagi didn't make too much sense with his overall anime character to me.

As for why he didn't pay much attention to Silver Crystal mainly because he thought their Malefic Black Crystal was more powerful and he had her now, he never expected Usagi would be rescued. His overconfidence was his problem, that's why I compare him with Michiru.
 
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This guy indeed have power and helped them gained a HUGE upperhand against their enemy, of course he trusted him. He knew that guy had something wrong but his goal was so close, so he had to look on the "big pic".

Yeah that's why I'm saying his obsession of Usagi didn't make too much sense with his overall anime character to me.

As for why he didn't pay much attention to Silver Crystal mainly because he thought their Malefic Black Crystal was more powerful and he had her now, he never expected Usagi would be rescued. His overconfidence was his problem, that's why I compare him with Michiru.
I feel like Michiru is too smart to be compared to someone like Demande :P

Plus you're still ignoring the fact that he practically ignored Chibi-Usa even though getting her was an important part of their mission's objectives. It'd be like if Michiru was too busy making goo-goo eyes at Haruka that she forgets to even check whether a Pure Heart is a Talisman or not, which is obviously something she'd never do.

And no actually, in the anime he never once suspected Wiseman, it only took Saphir's death for him to begin to get even slightly suspicious. He even once makes a remark to Saphir in episode 85 that Wiseman's the person he trusts the most and if he can't trust him who can he trust? He was gullible and too easily fooled.

I don't know I don't see the resemblance. I think perhaps you're misinterpreting Demande's character (or at least his anime version) and trying to make him seem cooler than he actually is.
 
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I feel like Michiru is too smart to be compared to someone like Demande :P

Plus you're still ignoring the fact that he practically ignored Chibi-Usa even though getting her was an important part of their mission's objectives. It'd be like if Michiru was too busy making goo-goo eyes at Haruka that she forgets to even check whether a Pure Heart is a Talisman or not, which is obviously something she'd never do.

And no actually, in the anime he never once suspected Wiseman, it only took Saphir's death for him to begin to get even slightly suspicious. He even once makes a remark to Saphir in episode 85 that Wiseman's the person he trusts the most and if he can't trust him who can he trust? He was gullible and too easily fooled.

I don't know I don't see the resemblance. I think perhaps you're misinterpreting Demande's character (or at least his anime version) and trying to make him seem cooler than he actually is.
Michiru is my favorite character, but to be fair, she and Haruka both lost their cool several times due to their overconfidence.

Fall into a deadly trap of Eudial.
Refuse to work with the Inners even though their info was very limited.
Challenged Mistress 9 recklessly and got caught as hostage.

And before Haruka becoming a Senshi, she did told her not to grab it while it was not wise. She also chose to go that far, took all the bullets rather than use her Deep Shaking against Eudial. To be fair she also lost her cool for Haruka several times.

I'm sorry when did Demande ignore Chibiusa? He was quite clear that Black Lady was a big part for their plan to the present and used his crystal to create the Black Crystal tower after went to the present with Black Lady. He actually used her as a very important tool.

Well remember Wiseman did guide and help them close to the goal, before Saphir's event he was clever enough to hide his true plan and like I've said, Demande's zeal for his people and his overconfidence has affected his judgement. But he did realize it later.
 
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I'm sorry when did Demande ignore Chibiusa? =
In episode 83 during his first attempt at capturing Usagi. She's holding Chibi-Usa in her arms when he's first levitating her towards him and even makes a remark that he's killing 2 birds with one stone here, but then Tuxedo Mask interrupts his Telekinesis which causes Usagi to accidentally drop Chibi-Usa and he doesn't even bother trying to get her back, just grabs onto Sailor Moon's hand and teleports them away.
 
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In episode 83 during his first attempt at capturing Usagi. She's holding Chibi-Usa in her arms when he's first levitating her towards him and even makes a remark that he's killing 2 birds with one stone here, but then Tuxedo Mask interrupts his Telekinesis which causes Usagi to accidentally drop Chibi-Usa and he doesn't even bother trying to get her back, just grabs onto Sailor Moon's hand and teleports them away.
Oh I thought you were talking about the previous one or the later ones, my bad.

Didn't he tell his men to capture Chibiusa before he go? He probably thought he could do it anytime as well.
 

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Critical support for Chairman Demande's revolutionary struggle.

And this is the part that's worth criticizing. It does feel tacked on for the sake of sullying a character who would otherwise be a revolutionary icon, a symbol for the oppressed mortal masses robbed from full self-expression by hereditary divine rulers.

But that's the theme here, you can not oppose the good gals for a good and honest reason here in a principled manner, them's the rules.
 

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The obsession is poorly staged.
It is not detailed. At no time do we see a meeting between the Queen and Demand, it's all off-screen.
I don't know, I find it not very natural, whereas in the manga, it is very detailed the meeting between the two, and especially the hatred of Black Moon against Serenity.
Even though it's a good bow, the ending is too rushed. So finally the future part which should be interesting is less interesting and not sufficiently developed.
 
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The obsession is poorly staged.
It is not detailed. At no time do we see a meeting between the Queen and Demand, it's all off-screen.
I don't know, I find it not very natural, whereas in the manga, it is very detailed the meeting between the two, and especially the hatred of Black Moon against Serenity.
Even though it's a good bow, the ending is too rushed. So finally the future part which should be interesting is less interesting and not sufficiently developed.
I admit I do wish we had gotten a more fleshed out flashback detailing how Demande got his obsession for the Queen in the 90's anime, but I still think it makes sense if you consider the context surrounding it.

Gonna have to disagree with you about the Black Moon's hatred for Serenity being better in the manga though. In the anime they're an oppressed nation of freedom fighters who have legitimate gripes against Crystal Tokyo's government, (and don't even do that much damage to civilians to begin with) whereas in the manga they're nothing but a bunch of overly religious nut-jobs who simply oppose the White Moon because they believe increasing one's lifespan "goes against God's will." Perhaps they might have a point when it comes to the issue of longevity promoting stagnation and whether people should even have a say if they want their lifespan increased or not, but they definitely came across as far more sympathetic in the anime. In the Manga/Crystal Demande literally says that "Peace is an illusion and War should continue to rage one," while strangling a child to death. They're definitely inherently terrible people in the manga.

(Heck NQS doesn't even banish them to Nemesis in the manga like she did in the 90's anime, they left on their own accord following an offer from Wiseman).