Your thoughts on the use of CGI in the series

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I really can't stand the CGI. I get that they wanted to make the transformations as fluid and on-model as possible, but they could have just used the CGI as a base and got their animation team to rotoscope (trace over) it, and it would have looked AMAZING.

And for those talking about it, CGI is actually much more expensive than traditional animation. It takes a LOT of manpower and time to make good CGI. The reason it's the only thing ever used in the west these days is because people are more "impressed" by it. Both mediums take extreme amounts of work to make, but people seem to be only able to "see" that effort with special effects and CGI.
 
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I quite frankly don't mind the CGI because --since the beginning-- I knew the transformations would be CGI-heavy.

In my opinion, the CGI seen in Sailor Moon Crystal has the same quality as the CGI seen in TOEI's Precure. When I learned that TOEI was going to reboot Sailor Moon, I immediately thought about Precure's influence on Sailor Moon. For a moment, I was worried, because I thought the character designs would have a "childish" look as opposed to being an accurate reflection of Takeuchi's work. Of course, I was wrong. The only element that reminds me of Precure in Sailor Moon Crystal is the CGI (flashy and obviously designed to attract the attention of the younger generation).
 
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All right. Guess it's my turn to weigh in on the CGI.

Yes, I'm temporarily stepping down off my little soapbox for a minute here, and I'll probably get called a 'hypocrite' for this, but...here I am, throwing myself into the flames. But as hard as I am championing 'Crystal', and as much as I'm loving every aspect of the series...I'm gonna come out and say this honestly.

I'm not terribly crazy about the CGI. I've always hated CGI in any type of film, unless the CGI is done VERY well and integrates seamlessly into the finished work. I hated the CGI in the 4th 'Indiana Jones' film. It ruined the movie for me, because in the original trilogy, most of the actors did their own stunt work; therefore, it was more "real". But when you have a jeep sitting on top of a tree, then being lowered to the ground............no. Just...no.

I have a lot of mixed emotions when it's used in animation, or animated films. Disney's Beauty and the Beast, it was kept to a minimum, save for the ballroom scene and "Be Our Guest". Which were both fine, I felt.

Going to bring up 'PreCure' here for a second. I dragged myself through several seasons of the show, and every single time we got to the transformations, I skipped it. Every time we got to the attacks, I skipped it. I managed to cut down at LEAST 7-10 minutes of each episode I watched because they took longer to perform their transformations/attacks then even Sailor Moon (90's) ever did.

I stopped watching 'PreCure' around episode 10 of...Suite, I believe. I couldn't stand the CGI anymore. That was a really big part of it for me. The series was far, far too invested in it's use of CGI, and because of it, the attacks all felt flat and lifeless to me. I have to admit, I rather enjoyed Go!, but the rest of it just got old and stale.

At first, I was afraid of this happening with Crystal ---- but so far, my worries seem unfounded. As long as they keep the CGI only for the transformations, and here and there, I think it'll be okay.

But when I first saw it....the transformation really threw me for a loop. I didn't really like it all that much, but what the hell --- it was Sailor Moon!

And honestly? I think the transformation is beginning to grow on me. I'm actually starting to like it a bit.

But nowhere near as much as I liked the original transformation. I caught myself watching it today, and STILL marveling at how pretty it was --- and this is a show that's 20 years old at this point. It STILL holds up VERY well. Crystal's transformations are still pretty ---- but are also a fairly pale imitation of what they used to be. Nowhere near as exquisite.

But they are slowly growing on me. I also re-watched Sailor Moon's transformation today, and realized that I rather liked how she opens her eyes to stare at the camera before striking her final pose.

So at first, I didn't like them much. But now they're growing on me....but I still find the original 90's to STILL surpass them.

But even so, I'm still loving Crystal to pieces and I'm starting to accept the CGI, even as out of place as it is.

Does this make any sense?

*sets up his flame barrier*

~ Small Lady Serenity
 

HeartWarrior

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#48
SmallLadySerenity said:
All right. Guess it's my turn to weigh in on the CGI.

Yes, I'm temporarily stepping down off my little soapbox for a minute here, and I'll probably get called a 'hypocrite' for this, but...here I am, throwing myself into the flames. But as hard as I am championing 'Crystal', and as much as I'm loving every aspect of the series...I'm gonna come out and say this honestly.

I'm not terribly crazy about the CGI. I've always hated CGI in any type of film, unless the CGI is done VERY well and integrates seamlessly into the finished work. I hated the CGI in the 4th 'Indiana Jones' film. It ruined the movie for me, because in the original trilogy, most of the actors did their own stunt work; therefore, it was more "real". But when you have a jeep sitting on top of a tree, then being lowered to the ground............no. Just...no.

I have a lot of mixed emotions when it's used in animation, or animated films. Disney's Beauty and the Beast, it was kept to a minimum, save for the ballroom scene and "Be Our Guest". Which were both fine, I felt.

Going to bring up 'PreCure' here for a second. I dragged myself through several seasons of the show, and every single time we got to the transformations, I skipped it. Every time we got to the attacks, I skipped it. I managed to cut down at LEAST 7-10 minutes of each episode I watched because they took longer to perform their transformations/attacks then even Sailor Moon (90's) ever did.

I stopped watching 'PreCure' around episode 10 of...Suite, I believe. I couldn't stand the CGI anymore. That was a really big part of it for me. The series was far, far too invested in it's use of CGI, and because of it, the attacks all felt flat and lifeless to me. I have to admit, I rather enjoyed Go!, but the rest of it just got old and stale.

At first, I was afraid of this happening with Crystal ---- but so far, my worries seem unfounded. As long as they keep the CGI only for the transformations, and here and there, I think it'll be okay.

But when I first saw it....the transformation really threw me for a loop. I didn't really like it all that much, but what the hell --- it was Sailor Moon!

And honestly? I think the transformation is beginning to grow on me. I'm actually starting to like it a bit.

But nowhere near as much as I liked the original transformation. I caught myself watching it today, and STILL marveling at how pretty it was --- and this is a show that's 20 years old at this point. It STILL holds up VERY well. Crystal's transformations are still pretty ---- but are also a fairly pale imitation of what they used to be. Nowhere near as exquisite.

But they are slowly growing on me. I also re-watched Sailor Moon's transformation today, and realized that I rather liked how she opens her eyes to stare at the camera before striking her final pose.

So at first, I didn't like them much. But now they're growing on me....but I still find the original 90's to STILL surpass them.

But even so, I'm still loving Crystal to pieces and I'm starting to accept the CGI, even as out of place as it is.

Does this make any sense?

*sets up his flame barrier*


~ Small Lady Serenity

I really do agree with you on this one, I feel the original transformations were the best thus far and to turn into CGI was a bad choice in my opinion, Mercury's was awesome to watch, and Moon's is growing on me (however I love the transformation music with hers). I feel the Inners will looks better anyhow at this point. However, SM 90s 2D transformations will stand the test of time rather than 3D any day, CGI I feel is always ever-changing and years down the road as someone else mentioned that it will look "dated" or maybe not? Who knows...
 

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#49
Fire said:
Eric said:
Chibi Chibi Magus said:
Out of curiosity, does it usually cost more or less to use CG instead of the traditional animation style?
less. CG is cheap.
Not necessarily true. Depends on both the quality of the CG and the quality of the 2D we're comparing. But the work in Crystal isn't anything special so you're probably right on this account.
Japanese CGI tends to be cheap. It's telling when they prefer to use rubber suits for their live action movies rather than elaborate CGI models. Hell, the latest "high production" Cyborg 009 movie? A PS1-tier graphics Mil Mi 24 helicopter.
 

SailorWelshy

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To be honest, I don't see why we're debating the CGI now as well, some have said it's dated, But here's the thing we're only on episode 2 of this new series. So it's to be expected that the cgi is not going to cut the mustard, in fact, look back on all the shows you've watched that have CGI, (Doctor Who, Star Trek, Lost).

The effects in their first seasons are pretty crap, here's a comparison from Doctor Who

Notice how cheap the cgi looks, you can tell they're not really there. Now here's series 7.

Edit: Also keep something in mind, that Doctor Who is a BRITISH production, in other words, it works on a shoestring budget. Seriously, Doctor Who is the most expensive show over here, why do you think the BBC tried to kill it in the 80's.


Notice how the cgi improved over time, and this is what's going to happen with Sailor Moon Crystal as the years go by. Not to mention the Sailor Guardians will have different transformations each season as their powers get upgrades, so there will be improvements to the cgi. While I will respect people's opinion, sometimes they will not just give things a chance.
 

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#53
Eric said:
I quite frankly don't mind the CGI because --since the beginning-- I knew the transformations would be CGI-heavy.

In my opinion, the CGI seen in Sailor Moon Crystal has the same quality as the CGI seen in TOEI's Precure. When I learned that TOEI was going to reboot Sailor Moon, I immediately thought about Precure's influence on Sailor Moon. For a moment, I was worried, because I thought the character designs would have a "childish" look as opposed to being an accurate reflection of Takeuchi's work. Of course, I was wrong. The only element that reminds me of Precure in Sailor Moon Crystal is the CGI (flashy and obviously designed to attract the attention of the younger generation).
Precure doesn't use CGI in it's transformations or attacks. It only uses them with items and the dance endings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RahgBPlaLIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUeCZm_b_uI
 

darkphoenix

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I love the transformation cg scenes. Only problem I have with moons is her hair looks super fake like it was super forgotten about until they went thru the last edit. Wish mercury had a longer transform with details like Mars but whatever. Mars scene was so much more detailed than moons it was surprising. Really hope they're using cg models cuz they plan on changing the scenes but whatever. Love them more than the original
 
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#55
Will probably take some time to get used too for me, since it causes a temporary change of style. It had looked better if the transformations had been the same "handdrawn" style as the rest of the show.
 
#57
SakuyamonX said:
Well the CGI seems to be better recieved by the fanbase now that Sailor Mars' transformation premiered.
I still think it would have been better if it was handdrawn. However, the CGI wasn't AS jarring in Mars' as it was in Moon's. I still think Moon's is godawful. The flames and the movement they did in Mars' looked better in CGI though.
 

Kerochan no Miko

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Maybe I'm okay with the CGI in Crystal just because it isn't nearly as bad as it was in PGSM. ^_^'
 

Darrelkun

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I don't like the CGI at all. Especially for the transformations. The best part of the previous anime was the transformation scenes, and I don't feel the ones in this show are grandiose.

I'm also not a fan of the artstyle either. A lot of the frames looked like someone with my skill level drew them, rather than a professional.