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So you did mean 90’s anime Saphir rather than Manga/Crystal Saphir?
It’s not about whether 90’s anime Saphir is evil or not or even any misconceptions he might have about Usagi as a person, he literally only hates her out of jealousy and that’s it. She could be the nicest, kindest person in the world and he wouldn’t care because she’s getting the way of him being with the one he actually loves which is Demande.
He’s in love with someone else, that more than anything is why he and Usagi would never work, if even Petz couldn’t get to him (all but outright says in one of the Drama CDs that he dumped her for his brother by calling him a brocon) what makes you think someone he views as his literal love rival could?
I feel this would be more of a strike against Usagi/Saphir than a plus, I mean what guy would really want to be dated on the basis of “they look and remind me of my ex?” That’s a pretty sh*tty base for a relationship wouldn’t you say? It wouldn’t be fair to Saphir either if Usagi’s only interested cause she sees Mamoru in him.
I see you also mentioned Motoki, he has the same problem as Saphir as ultimately being in love with someone else (Reika) while also having the added complication of being too old for her, he’s literally Mamoru’s age in the 90’s anime.
And unlike 90’s Mamoru he actually has morals and refuses to date middle school girls while he’s in college himself
It’s not about whether 90’s anime Saphir is evil or not or even any misconceptions he might have about Usagi as a person, he literally only hates her out of jealousy and that’s it. She could be the nicest, kindest person in the world and he wouldn’t care because she’s getting the way of him being with the one he actually loves which is Demande.
He’s in love with someone else, that more than anything is why he and Usagi would never work, if even Petz couldn’t get to him (all but outright says in one of the Drama CDs that he dumped her for his brother by calling him a brocon) what makes you think someone he views as his literal love rival could?
I feel this would be more of a strike against Usagi/Saphir than a plus, I mean what guy would really want to be dated on the basis of “they look and remind me of my ex?” That’s a pretty sh*tty base for a relationship wouldn’t you say? It wouldn’t be fair to Saphir either if Usagi’s only interested cause she sees Mamoru in him.
I see you also mentioned Motoki, he has the same problem as Saphir as ultimately being in love with someone else (Reika) while also having the added complication of being too old for her, he’s literally Mamoru’s age in the 90’s anime.
And unlike 90’s Mamoru he actually has morals and refuses to date middle school girls while he’s in college himself
Uhh that’s not what episode 83 says, I suggest you go watch it again. The person whom he was concerned over making Demande evil was Wiseman, not Usagi.
That’s not what Supplemental Materials say, also it’s Ikuhara, he’s well known for going the incest route.
If that scene in episode 83 wasn’t about Saphir feeling romantically jealous of Usagi over his brother why did DIC censor it the way they did and changed Saphir into confessing a crush on Esmeraude instead?
That’s not what Supplemental Materials say, also it’s Ikuhara, he’s well known for going the incest route.
If that scene in episode 83 wasn’t about Saphir feeling romantically jealous of Usagi over his brother why did DIC censor it the way they did and changed Saphir into confessing a crush on Esmeraude instead?
Usagi(actually Neo Queen) made Demande obsessed to get her and made unreasonable choices, which was the worst part of Demande's doing as well.
I don't see that, sure Ikuhara is famous for doing forbidden love, but it's not like Saphir has such strong love. DIC censor whatever they don't feel good.
Does Saphir have some special feeling towards his brother? Maybe, but not that serious.
I don't see that, sure Ikuhara is famous for doing forbidden love, but it's not like Saphir has such strong love. DIC censor whatever they don't feel good.
Does Saphir have some special feeling towards his brother? Maybe, but not that serious.
funny but i'd say motoki.
because, there are literally no fanfic about this relationship. as an avid fanfic reader i've read fanfics about usagi x everyone else other than him. that made me imagine how they would be as a couple. i liked what i imagined.
because, there are literally no fanfic about this relationship. as an avid fanfic reader i've read fanfics about usagi x everyone else other than him. that made me imagine how they would be as a couple. i liked what i imagined.
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I am also in the Ail camp for all the reasons Tsundereshipper mentioned and more. What's funny is that Usagi really is supposed to be focused solely on getting back with Mamoru, but when Mako starts chasing Seijuurou, Usagi gets super jealous and decides to follow them.
Plus, the story potential is much stronger with Ail than Mamoru. First of all, there is an "enemies to lovers" trope at play. Even if redeemed and no longer needing to steal energy, Ail is still an alien, so there could be more of a navigation of Earth customs and other hurdles from that angle. As far as integrating a character with his powerset into the cast, one can easily nerf Ail by framing any depowering at a consequence of the tree becoming a sapling. Plus, with the idea of keeping the tree on Earth, there's always that danger that it could be corrupted again as a source of tension.
There's also the issue that since Ail is an alien and Usagi is essentially human if they could even be compatible long-term. Are their lifespans similar? Would they, if they decide to spend their lives together, have kids? (I'd argue the magic of the Silver Crystal would help with this regard.)
Plus, can you imagine if by the time the Daimons come around, Ail were to counter with a Cardian only for the Cardian to get wrecked? And then as Sailor Moon would start to get more powerful than Ail, would Ail be able to "keep up?" Unlike Mamoru who was content to simply become a virtual bystander in the later season finales, Ail is a lot more active. As the relationship would shift from him protecting her to her protecting him, he'd be forced to examine his role.
Finally, it would make more sense if Ail were to save the day with a rose, since he is essentially an alien plant person.
Plus, the story potential is much stronger with Ail than Mamoru. First of all, there is an "enemies to lovers" trope at play. Even if redeemed and no longer needing to steal energy, Ail is still an alien, so there could be more of a navigation of Earth customs and other hurdles from that angle. As far as integrating a character with his powerset into the cast, one can easily nerf Ail by framing any depowering at a consequence of the tree becoming a sapling. Plus, with the idea of keeping the tree on Earth, there's always that danger that it could be corrupted again as a source of tension.
There's also the issue that since Ail is an alien and Usagi is essentially human if they could even be compatible long-term. Are their lifespans similar? Would they, if they decide to spend their lives together, have kids? (I'd argue the magic of the Silver Crystal would help with this regard.)
Plus, can you imagine if by the time the Daimons come around, Ail were to counter with a Cardian only for the Cardian to get wrecked? And then as Sailor Moon would start to get more powerful than Ail, would Ail be able to "keep up?" Unlike Mamoru who was content to simply become a virtual bystander in the later season finales, Ail is a lot more active. As the relationship would shift from him protecting her to her protecting him, he'd be forced to examine his role.
Finally, it would make more sense if Ail were to save the day with a rose, since he is essentially an alien plant person.
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“Not that serious…” So why does Saphir’s profile in the Sailor Moon R Memorial Book literally outright state “he loved no one else but his brother?”
It’d be an interesting role reversal on the whole UsaMamo dynamic in the 90’s anime as well. In the first season UsaMamo are “enemies” by daylight and allies/crushes by moonlight, well what if we had a relationship that’s the exact opposite of that where the two are literal lovers in their civilian forms but are enemies in their supernatural alter egos with none of them the wiser? I personally feel it’d make for much better drama than the whole “ha-ha look they can’t stand each other in their regular forms but unbeknown to them they’re secretly crushing on each other when in superhero mode!”
I mean think of how betrayed both would feel once they find out the person they’re dating is literally their enemy on the other side and not who they thought they were (in a bad way?) How would each contend with that revelation? What sorts of feelings would it bring up? Whereas the former is much less serious in a way since the only preconceived expectations they’d be forced to change is attempting to see the civilian object of their dislike in a brand new light, a light that says “hey, maybe they weren’t so bad after all…” It’s a much less drastic upheaval than the opposite would be.
Let’s hope she’s at least less annoying than actual anime Chibs would be.
It’d be an interesting role reversal on the whole UsaMamo dynamic in the 90’s anime as well. In the first season UsaMamo are “enemies” by daylight and allies/crushes by moonlight, well what if we had a relationship that’s the exact opposite of that where the two are literal lovers in their civilian forms but are enemies in their supernatural alter egos with none of them the wiser? I personally feel it’d make for much better drama than the whole “ha-ha look they can’t stand each other in their regular forms but unbeknown to them they’re secretly crushing on each other when in superhero mode!”
I mean think of how betrayed both would feel once they find out the person they’re dating is literally their enemy on the other side and not who they thought they were (in a bad way?) How would each contend with that revelation? What sorts of feelings would it bring up? Whereas the former is much less serious in a way since the only preconceived expectations they’d be forced to change is attempting to see the civilian object of their dislike in a brand new light, a light that says “hey, maybe they weren’t so bad after all…” It’s a much less drastic upheaval than the opposite would be.
Would Usagi, if she'd be w/ Ail, bear a chibi plant, which could make sense for a cyclical reproductive biology of Ail's species? 
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Would Usagi, if she'd be w/ Ail, bear a chibi plant, which could make sense for a cyclical reproductive biology of Ail's species?
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lmao do you find them even creepier than Demande?
. He is not, quite clearly. It is just that Seiya triggers me on a personal level so it will forever be the worst option in my opinion. I do not want to sound sexist, but I want to explain it somehow - Demand is the guy a girl should be careful of, while Seiya acts like a woman a guy should run away from, not that these can't be reversed, both kinds are equally dangerous and toxic.
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With physical abuse you know you are in danger and you at least know you have to protect yourself. With an emotional abuser/ guilt tripper/ gaslighter you can be completely oblivious of their manipulation. Gosh, I made it sound like Demand is ok . He is not, quite clearly. It is just that Seiya triggers me on a personal level so it will forever be the worst option in my opinion. I do not want to sound sexist, but I want to explain it somehow - Demand is the guy a girl should be careful of, while Seiya acts like a woman a guy should run away from, not that these can't be reversed, both kinds are equally dangerous and toxic.
. He is not, quite clearly. It is just that Seiya triggers me on a personal level so it will forever be the worst option in my opinion. I do not want to sound sexist, but I want to explain it somehow - Demand is the guy a girl should be careful of, while Seiya acts like a woman a guy should run away from, not that these can't be reversed, both kinds are equally dangerous and toxic.
Usagi should date Rei, she has more romantic chemistry with her than with any of the men 
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Usagi should date Rei, she has more romantic chemistry with her than with any of the men
There's nothing wrong with people you hate ending up turning into people you love platonically and care for, but I do think that if you are looking for a romantic partner, it should be someone you naturally get along with.
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